+R for sure but id go bigger cc for street use

unless kitaco made a new head the SE was on par with the old Rstage

 

I was gonna go 124 or 106 but now me and my buddy have a little... bet... you can call it going on. So 88 is gonna be the motor for the time being. But the good thing about these 88 kits are that they use a 52mm piston and stock crank. So all I will have to do is install the 50mm crank to make 106cc`s.



What kind of power does the Takegawa +R 88 make?

 

Help!

 

i own a superhead +R build for 3 years now its worked great for me



does the kitaco head have a roller bearing cam? deffo not roller rocker



i couldn't comment on the figures

but my friend has a +R 88cc he uses for (mx) , s12 cam with kitaco inner rotor, superclutch and 3 speed close box. Damn its fast!



my z50r (mx) is a 124+R twinspark and has alround power ,too much of, i love it



an important thing with +R heads is to change the cam-shaft to one that suits your riding purpose



s12's for mx, s15-25 street to fast-road , s30-35 for highly tuned Road-race motors , the stock s20 is ok on-road but sheet off-road IMO



the cams make a lot of difference

 

Thanks adam. So how does this sound for a start for the built...on the motor side...

-Takegawa 88 +R Super Head

-Takegawa S15-S25 Cam

-Takegawa Hyper CDI

-Takegawa 5 speed manual with special clutch kit with the final top gear ratio being 0.831 I believe.

-Ti-Force

-Takegawa oil cooler, or the new G'Craft side mount oil cooler that attaches directly to the head.

-Mikuni 24mm Carb.



Adam, or anyone. What kind of power does this motor make and what do you thing the top speed will be with a takegawa 88 +R, 0.831 final gear ratio on the tranny, 31 tooth rear, 15 tooth front, 10" wheels with 110/90x10 and 90/90x10 dunlop TT91 rubber???



7-9 Hp seem obtainable with this set-up?



I'm gonna throw an est. Top speed I was thinking could be obtained. 70mph?



Thanks

 

yeh 70mph sounds about right

maybe with a little taller gearing 16/17front



go with the super-touring 5 speed box its the most common and achieves the maximum speed out of the different ratio takegawa 5's



and either takegawa's keihin pe24 carb kit or mikuni vm26 if you plan on stroking out at a later date



be sure to use a descent size oil cooler the g-craft cooler may not fit +R head

dont get the take' billet cooler its piffle compared to the supercooler or daytona 7 row



ps. ask Z about an earls cooler he may be able to rig up a kit for you through motoshop z

 

Cool thanks bro.



HP ESTIMATE???

 

Cool thanks bro.



HP ESTIMATE???

run the takegawa PE24 carb the VM26 is for big cc motors like 115 +

ive run a pe24 on my 88cc it was sweet, then i ran pe24 and vm26 back to back on 124cc and a friends 106cc and we endded up swaping carbs, the vm was so tempramental with his 106 he would spend all weekend getting it to run good then the next weekend it was all to sh!t again,the VM26 ran good on my 124cc, run the 24 and youll have no bog of the bottom.



As for HP i would say 8-9 running good fuel

but to be honest the only way your know is running it up on a rolling road

 

Thanks adam. So how does this sound for a start for the built...on the motor side...

-Takegawa 88 +R Super Head

-Takegawa S15-S25 Cam

-Takegawa Hyper CDI

-Takegawa 5 speed manual with special clutch kit with the final top gear ratio being 0.831 I believe.

-Ti-Force

-Takegawa oil cooler, or the new G'Craft side mount oil cooler that attaches directly to the head.

-Mikuni 24mm Carb.



Adam, or anyone. What kind of power does this motor make and what do you thing the top speed will be with a takegawa 88 +R, 0.831 final gear ratio on the tranny, 31 tooth rear, 15 tooth front, 10" wheels with 110/90x10 and 90/90x10 dunlop TT91 rubber???



7-9 Hp seem obtainable with this set-up?



I'm gonna throw an est. Top speed I was thinking could be obtained. 70mph?



Thanks

I doubt you're going to hit 70mph on any 88cc motor, unless you find a big, long downhill stretch and wind to your back. Even then, I'd say you were at odds. 60-65 mph might be attainable, but again, you're going to need the forces of nature working with you. Throw in some uphill and you can forget it.

 

i only ride dirt but even i thought 70mph was alittle adventerous

 

FYI Guys my neighbors supermotord crf50... Takegawa 106 +R Superhead, Takegawa Touring 5 Speed Tranny, 10'' wheels, 77.4mph on the street.



So I thing my Takegawa 88 +R Superhead build with the S-Touring(Longer final gear than my buddys touring takegawa tranny) and also 10'' wheels should be able to do 70mph I am thinking. But I would honestly be happy if I can hit 65mph top speed and have the bike being comfortable at 40-50mph consistant rides.

 

run the takegawa PE24 carb the VM26 is for big cc motors like 115 +

ive run a pe24 on my 88cc it was sweet, then i ran pe24 and vm26 back to back on 124cc and a friends 106cc and we endded up swaping carbs, the vm was so tempramental with his 106 he would spend all weekend getting it to run good then the next weekend it was all to sh!t again,the VM26 ran good on my 124cc, run the 24 and youll have no bog of the bottom.



As for HP i would say 8-9 running good fuel

but to be honest the only way your know is running it up on a rolling road

What size jets did ya run the pe24 and the 106?

Thanks.

 

This kit is rated at 9.5 hp...

Daytona Super Head 88cc Kit CRF50 / XR50

 

What size jets did ya run the pe24 and the 106?

Thanks.

its been about 3-4 years since i had those carbs i really cant remember i do have some jets but im unsure off the top of my head if there for the 24 or the 26

 

This kit is rated at 9.5 hp...

Daytona Super Head 88cc Kit CRF50 / XR50

depends on the dyno used alot of the hp figures are not so true!

 

The Kitaco's typically use smaller valve stems. They'll wear faster. Tak ain't gonna last forever at the revs an 88 is going to have to sustain to get around on the asphalt dyno. Failure won't be immediate, but it will be spectacular and catastrophic



I'll be doing some testing on the new TB head/piston combo, on a 115cc racer and 124cc street bike. They'll get the usual FP tune-up, but be pretty stock parts. That extra stroke seems a better way to spend $$ than fancy labels. Just my .02

 

Well what do you "Firepower" suggest I do? And it HAS to be an 88cc kit. Has anyone ever hurd of a 88 DOHC or 88 +R TwinSpark Head? I just want the hands down most bad ass 88 kit available! And I think the Takegawa 88 +R SuperHead is the best choice then eventually once I run the 88cc for a season ill build a 106 motor out of it. Or who knows maybe ill just build a complete new Takegawa 124 +R when I wanna upgrade the 88cc supermotard bike so I can have the Takegawa 88 +R, 106 +R, and 124 +R. Haha

 

the yosh 88 kit is pretty nice.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1sto...QitemZ220346909485QQihZ012QQcategoryZ35595QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I dont know about the specs buts its most likley pretty damn expensive and fast.

 

hummmm where can I get some specs on that from a vendor?

 

Tak ain't gonna last forever at the revs an 88 is going to have to sustain to get around on the asphalt dyno. Failure won't be immediate, but it will be spectacular and catastrophic

Could you give your reasoning for the takegawa head not lasting long

ive always used and trusted takegawa parts and 0 problems with my 88Rstage

or is this just aimed at the +R head???

 

Could you give your reasoning for the takegawa head not lasting long

ive always used and trusted takegawa parts and 0 problems with my 88Rstage

or is this just aimed at the +R head???

yeah x2 on that. and longmooie how do you like your 88 +R since that is most likely what imma be building.

what tranny n clutch

power est?

any thing ya wanna let me know about this kit?

thanks!

 

i dont think firepower is dissing the +R head, as comparing the longevity with a stroker motor ,which would undoubtably last longer than the short stroke motor



the stroker motor having to do less work to get around ,,torque is a great thing on-road



the only resticting factor on the cc is prokaw875 wanting to keep it 88



if your after info on the Yoshimura kit ask Z he owns one

 

longmooie how do you like your 88 +R since that is most likely what imma be building.

what tranny n clutch

power est?

any thing ya wanna let me know about this kit?

thanks!

I had the R stage 88cc kit (the 124+R came later)

takegawa inner rotor

takegawa close ratio 3speed

takegawa dig crosser pipe

takegawa clutch (the crank mounted type)

PE 24 carb

(bbr super pro frame with stratos sr6 forks)





i like a high reving motor i guess cos i raced motocross on a 2 stroke for years

i loved this motor really fun to ride and you have to work the gears rather than counting on torque from a stroker motor, tight tracks is what we mainly had in the UK and this bike got it going out the corners, faster tracks the 106bikes would get you on the straight aways!!!

i remember some of the tracks we had in the woods we would have to ride down some closed off roads to get to and my friends 106 would pi$$ all over my 88 3rd gear pinned



once i stroked it with the 124+R i struggled riding on the tracks i use to ride, way to much power for a 50, 3rd gear it would have you on your back if you wasnt in control



i know you said you want a 88 but you really should just build a big motor for street use cos your gonna be in the high rev range all the time with only 88cc, i think this is what flowerpower was reffering to.