here are some pics of the damage

 

Daytona 150 with a V2 head will make more hp than that did... Plus you really need a 4 speed.. I have a Takegawa 124+R with a AHP 4 speed and I have had no issues in years with it. You will have a HARD time finding parts plus it looks like the valve seat is nicked up as well..

 

Daytona 150 with a V2 head will make more hp than that did... ll..

Good luck to fit a V2 on a Daytona !!

 

this wanker might want your gears.... http://planetminis.com/3743-longmooie/

 

Daytona 150 with a V2 head will make more hp than that did... Plus you really need a 4 speed.. I have a Takegawa 124+R with a AHP 4 speed and I have had no issues in years with it. You will have a HARD time finding parts plus it looks like the valve seat is nicked up as well..

yea, the reason I was considering the Daytona was because I usually race against 110s, but i usually get the hole-shot but i can't quite keep up on the straights and i figured the extra torque of the 150 wouldn't hurt either.

As for the parts, I can get them with no problem, I've been getting parts for it regularly, the only thing i don't know about is the valve seat, is it hard/expensive to repair?

 

this wanker might want your gears.... http://planetminis.com/3743-longmooie/

haha, i talked to him a while back about selling the gears to him but i just didn't want to invest the money into the 4-speed then, now i think it would be worth the investment in the long run(I'll be able to run at lower rpm at the same speeds so less engine wear)

 

Daytona 150 with a V2 head will make more hp than that did... Plus you really need a 4 speed.. I have a Takegawa 124+R with a AHP 4 speed and I have had no issues in years with it. You will have a HARD time finding parts plus it looks like the valve seat is nicked up as well..

V2 head will not fit the daytona 150........ silly!

 

maybe he is talking about DOHC daytona 150...

I'd say both motor are good racing engine but 3 speed transmission isn't fast on a long straight... if you think about it you will need a complete new top end and a transmission... why not getting a complete new engine for the same price.

 

a takegawa +R head will fit the daytona 150. you have to get a 88 link cam chain though as the port hights are different with the takegawa to the daytona.

also you could just port, daytona cam, and daytona high comp piston with the 150.

 

V2 head will not fit the daytona 150........ silly!

Thats what I was saying to myself....an now to everyone...

 

haha, i talked to him a while back about selling the gears to him but i just didn't want to invest the money into the 4-speed then, now i think it would be worth the investment in the long run(I'll be able to run at lower rpm at the same speeds so less engine wear)

Is the final drive ratio that much different? usually the 4 speed just puts the gears closer together and not soo much as to a longer overall drive ratio?

 

Is the final drive ratio that much different? usually the 4 speed just puts the gears closer together and not soo much as to a longer overall drive ratio?

yea, it actually is much different. I have a close ratio 3-speed right now and the 4-speed basically just adds another gear on top rather than putting the spacing closer together, if i had a stock transmission it wouldn't make as much of a difference but it would still be have a little more on top. i've been looking into this for about year now so i know my stuff lol

 

Silly guys.. Ok Taz made a boo boo.. I meant a YX150 with a V2 head. So the Daytona 150 engines use Honda stud spaceing??? I didnt know that I thought they had the same as the YX engines.. Ok Ill get on myself lol...:banghead: Now I do know that there is big difference in the 3 speed and the 4 speed... Since we all went to the AHP 4 speed (150.00) we stoped dropping valves from over rev.. Helps the engine a ton.. The reason I asked about parts is this. I had one of those heads. I was getting parts from Lyle at Classic Honda.. I got the last 2 valves he had and he said now that they were stopping makeing parts for that head. So I sold the Older Superhead and got the +R head.. I think you might have a hard time sourcing a piston. Last time I tried you had to use a +R piston and turn the decking down a little.. But either way parts for that older Super Head are getting hard to come by.. Where do you get your parts from????

 

I was getting them from Chp and fast 50s, but if chp doesn't have the parts anymore I'll just have to get them from Minimob. they have two kinds of pistons for the old superhead, $160 cast and $300 forged and takegawa still makes them. as for the valves i believe minimob has the intake but the exhaust is a little harder to find. if need be i believe you can get some black diamond valves made to fit. i would love to get the +R but that is just too much to put into my bike right now, i'm hurting to get the the 4-speed lol. maybe in the future i will upgrade to the +R

 

Let me know if you want to sell your Tak 3 speed.

 

..... $160 cast and $300 forged and takegawa still makes them.

...300$ for a piston ???

 

I just bought a daytona 150 for my reeg 70 runing a 13 tooth front and a 42 rear and it keeps up with my buddies tb stroked 165 with ported and polished v2 head no prob. Super smooth motors

 

I was getting them from Chp and fast 50s, but if chp doesn't have the parts anymore I'll just have to get them from Minimob. they have two kinds of pistons for the old superhead, $160 cast and $300 forged and takegawa still makes them. as for the valves i believe minimob has the intake but the exhaust is a little harder to find. if need be i believe you can get some black diamond valves made to fit. i would love to get the +R but that is just too much to put into my bike right now, i'm hurting to get the the 4-speed lol. maybe in the future i will upgrade to the +R

:fing02: Cool looks like any one of the 2 pistons are gonna cost more than a 4 speed transmission... Yea Minimob in Canada could get parts I bet..

 

I had a twin spark super head do the exact same thing, right after rebuild, your crank is probably fine, as mine was on a 88 and the stock crank is still being used today haha. Mine did it just after having the seats cut, and all new valves put in, (talk about very disappointing) I think i was around 450 or 500 bucks as i just bought a new piston, new valves, springs, cups everything, and to have the cup fail considering it was brand new was very depressing, sad it only ran for like 15 minutes before it let go. If you read the thread i brought the valve cup retainer to school and tested its hardness on a rockwell machine, it shot way over than what it should of meaning it was to hard and brittle.



http://planetminis.com/f71/very-sad-day-destruction-pics-112882.html



You will definitly be able to just cut those seats, im in the process of cutting mine, some say it cant happen but im not going for super performance as its going on a junkyard build.

 

:fing02: Cool looks like any one of the 2 pistons are gonna cost more than a 4 speed transmission... Yea Minimob in Canada could get parts I bet..

the takegawa transmission cost $400 you must be talking about the AHP transmission, i was going to go that route, but it would not fit on the takegawa special clutch for the takegawa transmission

 

i think it will work together my buddy has the ahp 4 speed in his bike with the specail 6 disc clutch

 

Yea I was meaning the AHP tranny. And I have a Takegawa clutch on that AHP tranny. I did have to purchase the one made for the stock style transmission shaft.. Yea that sucks cause if you have the clutch for the 3 speed im not sure any 4 speed outside of a Takegawa one (if they make one) is going to work with the clutch you have. More reason to get the Daytona lol..

 

Let me know if your sellign that motor. I may scrape if off your hands.

 

Let me know if your sellign that motor. I may scrape if off your hands.

how much would you offer me for the motor running? not running?(by the way i have a lot of parts that will go with it, new clutch plates, all the parts i have replaced,etc.)



I'm just trying to see which way i should go. the biggest reason I'm hesitant to sell the motor is because i know i love the way the motor rides and i have never ridden a daytona and it may not be my style or have the pull that my takegawa has.

If someone has ridden them both, PLEASE let me know the difference between the two.

 

Ok I have a 124+R bad ass engine makeing 16.5hp with a 4 speed.. I also have a 184 with a V2 head (started out as a YX160) Here is the deal.. First what I like and dont like about the daytona 150 Vs The YX150.. Daytona has going for it.. It has a 4 speed thats great.. It will bolt directly into your 50 and all the intakes you have for your 50 will work. Also the exhaust you have will bolt right up to the head.. Cons there is no cheap aftermarket head for it at all.. You would have to use a Takegawa head for a 50 on it if you want a better head and there is no cam upgrade for it either.. So without a cam or head it wont turn as many RPMs it will make its power lower in the revs and to upgrade it will be expensive cause you have to use Takegawa head parts.. OK now for the YX150.. It to will also bolt right in.. You can get it with either Honda ports on the head to take the intakes ou already have.. And so your pipe will just bolt right up to it as well..It has a nice clutch cover like the Daytona with the oil filter built right into the cover.. But here is where I think the YX has an advantage.. There is a head made by Trail Bikes called a V2 head. Its JUST like a Takegawa head with 30mm intake and 25 exhaust. In fact thats bigger than the vales in the Takegawa head you have now so it performs just as good.. You can get a S35 cam copy from TrailBikes as well that is a copy of the Takegawa S35 cam wich you might have in your head now.. Cam and head can be had for $400.00 and then it will rev and act JUST like your Takegawa engine but with more power everywhere.. Clutch is great. Transmission is smooth and so on.. Now a V2 head is not a just a bolt on and go thing it has KLX ports on the head.. You would have to purchase a rear facing intake from TB to mmatch it and and exhaust adapter for like 10 dollars so the honda pipe would fit aginst the KLX style port on the head.. But NO big deal at all.. A 150 with a V2 head will make more power Everywhere over your 124.. So for me it came down to being to upgrade. I wanted a engine that would take the TB V2 head.. I got tired of spending 700 or 800 for the Takegawa heads on the Honda engines. I havent been happier switching over and my pocket feels it the most... So what do you want a Daytona 150 that is very solid but to upgrade is going to be very expensive. Or the YX150 that I think is on par witrh the Daytona but will take the aftermarket heads that are not Takegawa for a TON less money.. Stock head on all these engines are good but not as good as you Takegawa one. But a V2 is as good if not better with a S35 cam.. Hope this helps a little..;-) The reason for the head difference is Daytona has smaller stud spaceing on the cylinder its the same as a Honda. The YX uses the larger stud spaceing on the cylinder like the china engines and can take the china upgrade parts like the V2 from TrailBikes..