The AMA effectively killed the 150F for racing. It remains to be seen if the 150F can compete against 112cc two strokes. Giving the Supermini two strokes 7 more cc's does not make sense and doesn't seem all that fair to me. Now what will happen in two years when the other manufactures have theirs? What a pile of protectionism BS. Honda gets punished to be the first to market and the AMA gives the rest of the slackers more cc's and a few years to catch up. Anyone take a look at the current crop of 85cc two strokes? Not very compelling compared to a new aluminum frame 250F. In fact many of the 85's have hardly had any changes for almost 20 years! Consumers want this technology just like they have proven in the big bike classes. Seems to me that letting the market (AMA members and consumers) decide what they want didn't factor in to their equation. Instead the slacker Oe's, two stroke aftermarket companies, people that don't have kids racing and racing families that are connected to other brands influenced the AMA. I think the whole thing stinks. I feel better now!
Thank you AMA the honda 150r ruleing.
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4 strokes killen the sport? what the hell you talken about willis? have you gone to a National,or Supercross lately? thers not a single pro riding a 2smoke anymore. 2008 there will not be a 2 smoke sold in america. sh!t ever Bubba couldnt win on a 2 smoke. the AMA is doing alot more BAD then GOOD. its alright there will be no 2 smokes soon enough. you dum as hell 2 smoke lovers.
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I agree with Conway, i think the 4 strokes ruined it to begin with not the AMA, and racing shouldnt end up as a whos daddy has more money game it should be all about skills. I am liking what the ama did and it will shut down the 4 strokes for sure!
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They aint shut down SH!T go to your local track and see what the good riders are riding 4 strokes hell almost all riders for that matter. kids will still be racing the 85,s on the 150R next year so the smart parents will be getting there kids 150r,s ,less maintenance more reliable and SAFER. you guys are JUST HONDA HATERS when your favorite company comes out with a 150 you,ll be all over it.
I'm not going to continue to argue with some one who doesn't even know how to use grammar or spell.
When I say four strokes are ruining the sport, i'm talking about the 250fs, and 450f. Not pitbikes.
You're to imature to understand how tracks all over the country are closing due to noise polution from four strokes. Or how the signicant increase of owning and maintaining a four stroke makes riders quit racing.
The fact that you said four strokes are more reliable. less maintenance, and safer proves you know absolutely nothing about engines, or the sport. Please come back with a valid arguement typed in english.
For your info, I owned hondas all my life... xr50, xr80, cr80, cr125, and now another crf50. There are three hondas sitting in my garage right now. I didn't dislike honda untill they anounced they would no longer continue production of two strokes.
Continue to ride your playbike in your backyard.
When I say four strokes are ruining the sport, i'm talking about the 250fs, and 450f. Not pitbikes.
You're to imature to understand how tracks all over the country are closing due to noise polution from four strokes. Or how the signicant increase of owning and maintaining a four stroke makes riders quit racing.
The fact that you said four strokes are more reliable. less maintenance, and safer proves you know absolutely nothing about engines, or the sport. Please come back with a valid arguement typed in english.
For your info, I owned hondas all my life... xr50, xr80, cr80, cr125, and now another crf50. There are three hondas sitting in my garage right now. I didn't dislike honda untill they anounced they would no longer continue production of two strokes.
Continue to ride your playbike in your backyard.
Ride what ever you want...I would almost bet that half the people who posted are not even AMA members or have ever competed in a local district race. I raced a CR250 for years and recently bought a YZ450f because it was time for a new bike and I always liked the thumpers. I am an average C class rider...no way I can ride a 250 (2 stroke) or the 450 to its full potiential. It's not like the thumpers cost double and no one can afford them. JUST RIDE WHAT YOU LIKE!
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Conway said:
agreed. We are having problems in our area when we ride four strokes because they are a louder sound, and whenever i rode my twosmoke 125 we wouldnt hear anything from them. I have a CRF250R w/ FMF 4.1 and a CRF450. Some say its because by luck they arent home when I ride the two smoke, but I dont think its the case. I was told its because people are "used" to hearing something that sounds like a weedwacker so we never got yelled at.
Face it, 4 strokes ARE getting tracks closed. Its the cold truth, and it needs to be realized. Ask any pro mxer and they will say that that has alot to do with it, including mindless idiots tresspassing, destroying stuff, etc.
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But what a sweet sound.................
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oh BTW the only bikes i'm running anymore are Honda's. I'm no honda hater, i'm just a hater because honda didnt come out with any cool bikes when i was on 85's.
your joking right.the ama dont care about the 150f.their talking about the 150r. oh one another note 4strokes cost more to maintain and if you have a honda you have to chech you valves every 10hrs and adjust them like every 25hrs and if you topend goes look to pay anywhere between $1k to $2k to fix my friend had his valves done and they were to tight and it f%$^ed up his topend same with me we had the same person adjust our valves and it cost him $2k (he got another bike)and I need a new head and valves,springs,$1k and its still sitting cuz im think about my 110 more.just make sure they know how to work on 4strokes cuz its nothing like a 2 stroke and dont let nobody tell you it is.thats BS.Pancakes said:
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this all a bunch of hear-say untill the ama has a press release.
Four strokes did not ruin motocross they have been around for a long time.
Just the technology was lacking until recently.
I personally like them better. I used to be a 2 stroke guy but now I have changed.
There is a simple solution to closing tracks. NOISE RESTRICTIONS.
Its not just noise, nobody likes racetracks in general. Everytime somebody has plans there is always a lot of opposistion.
Just the technology was lacking until recently.
I personally like them better. I used to be a 2 stroke guy but now I have changed.
There is a simple solution to closing tracks. NOISE RESTRICTIONS.
Its not just noise, nobody likes racetracks in general. Everytime somebody has plans there is always a lot of opposistion.
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i miss my two strokes. and i think its sad that 2 strokes are "going" away.
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What really sucks about the EPA closing the door on two strokes... they claim to do it for emissions. Funny, there are CLEAN burning two stroke motor designs over in Europe... Rather than dictating a motor tech, put up an emissions standard, and lets see if the thumpys can clear it either?
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