New BBR +5 Swinger! I want.. ($700)?

silverback · Feb 6, 2006

bulkytits said:
it doesnt work like that when you are bbr an you have your own cnc machines, its about 100 bucks in material when you buy in bulk, especially since that swingarm is made out of three smaller pieces, $5000 my a$$. they designed it on the computer, the machine spit the pieces out, the pieces were out in a jig and welded together. wow, thats a whole lot of work there.

Believe me i have been machining for 13 years. It still cost money to have the cnc mill , tools , inserts ,operators pay ,designers pay ,insurance and electric bill ect,. True when you design you product using your soft ware it will also make the program for you machine and most companies rent cnc machines ( less maintenance and to upgrade there machines every couple of years) If you ever ran a machine you would know the soft ware is not always right and you have to make adjustments then there is also operator error . So nothing is just spit out and welded together it takes alot of time to do something right.

silverback · Feb 6, 2006

bulkytits how much time do you think it takes to machine that part?

bulkytits · Feb 6, 2006

silverback said:
bulkytits how much time do you think it takes to machine that part?

dont know, but i watched this dude at the shop next door to the one i used to work at who has a cnc pop out a box full of triple clamps in a day. anyways, doesnt matter to me, i aint spending no 700 dollars on a swingarm for a 50.

Indetrucks · Feb 6, 2006

cg5 said:
looks shitty

Are U high?

~E · Feb 6, 2006

Its funny that people still respond to users like ImaKnockoff and Bulkytits about things like this. It is obvious they have no idea what they are talking about.

Dont waste your time.

bulkytits · Feb 6, 2006

i guess i have no idea about how to rip off a bunch of people, seeing that i can go down to my local metal supply 5 min from my house and buy twice as much 7075 aluminum than whats in that swingarm for 150 bucks. take it down to my buddies shop and throw it on the mill and machine it out and then weld it together. i can see why a big company like bbr would spend 5000 on a prototype, cause the big whig in the office is to big of a moron to go downstairs and do it himself, so 25 other people get paid for it, therefore costing us more, dont tellme there isnt a markup here..... its a bunch of crap, made in the usa or not. just like someone charging 350 dollars to extend a swingarm. or someone charging 350 for a port job for a 50.

fiftynonuts · Feb 6, 2006

I live about 10 minutes from the BBR shop and I agree that $700 is alot of money, "but" they have alot of overhead with shop lease, electricity, materials, labor, computer software, machinery, and the time it takes to think up this stuff and get it exactly right as far as angles and lenths. I have seen this stuff get made and have acutally tested alot of the parts before they even get sold, If you believe anything you read on this site believe BBR is not out to rip the consumer off, they strive to produce quality parts. I have this picture in my mind of all the guys who bitch about cost, I hope you work non union jobs that pay $12 per hr w/no benefits and struggle to pay your rent......you need to buy the "knock off" at Shucks Auto Supply because you really can't afford BBR. Let this be a lesson for the young riders.. if you want to be able to afford the kick ass toys, get a kick ass job first.

bulkytits · Feb 6, 2006

all im saying is that the big industry bs is ruining our prices, i guess the people who cant do stuff themselves end up spending 5000 on their bikes.

fiftynonuts · Feb 6, 2006

bulkytits I suppose you ride a bike that you have hand made for yourself? No one said their was no mark up, they need to make some money but you can't believe that they make 100,000 swingarms like these, if they did then the cost would be lower. If you can go buy the materials for $150 that leaves you $550.....then design, cut and weld it in a little over 27 hours (at $20 per hour for labor) and then post the pictures of it on your bike....don't forget not to copy the BBR carved into the side of the swingarm when you copy the exaxt design!

bulkytits · Feb 6, 2006

i dont really give a f*ck about a nice machined piece, its a bunch of bs that looks pretty designed to rip the average consumer. see any stock swingarms on hondas, kawis or any other factory bike that is machined? u dont do you, u know why?????? BLING BLING BLING

fiftynonuts · Feb 6, 2006

Are we talking about factory bikes that are designed for adult riders? Or are we talking about mini bikes that are designed for kids that people like BBR produce heavyduty parts for adults to ride them. It is a money thing for you I see, but would you like to ride the bling bling bike if you had the extra bones in the bank?

~E · Feb 6, 2006

bulkytits said:
i guess i have no idea about how to rip off a bunch of people, seeing that i can go down to my local metal supply 5 min from my house and buy twice as much 7075 aluminum than whats in that swingarm for 150 bucks. take it down to my buddies shop and throw it on the mill and machine it out and then weld it together. i can see why a big company like bbr would spend 5000 on a prototype, cause the big whig in the office is to big of a moron to go downstairs and do it himself, so 25 other people get paid for it, therefore costing us more, dont tellme there isnt a markup here..... its a bunch of crap, made in the usa or not. just like someone charging 350 dollars to extend a swingarm. or someone charging 350 for a port job for a 50.

I will tell you what. You do that, keep all the receipts, prove to me that it fits, has axle sliders, has the correct ratio for shock and I will buy yours for $700 from you.

bulkytits · Feb 6, 2006

yeah its about the money, who wants to drop 5 to 15 grand into a 50 when one one can be built for less than 1/3 he money??? i guess if ur making a showbike, throw that extra 500 bucks.

fiftynonuts · Feb 6, 2006

Amen, breakin spokes! you have fun riding your bikes no matter who makes the parts but I enjoy the "Tech" aspect or the sport as well. I have to go to bed now because I am sad that the Seahawks Lost the superbowl

bulkytits · Feb 6, 2006

breakinspokes said:
I will tell you what. You do that, keep all the receipts, prove to me that it fits, has axle sliders, has the correct ratio for shock and I will buy yours for $700 from you.

k.... if u really want me to waste my time machining some bling.

~E · Feb 6, 2006

bulkytits said:
k.... if u really want me to waste my time machining some bling.

No, I want you to realize that when tell your buddy with the mill what you want to do and how much I will pay you for it.. he will likely laugh and say that there is no way you will make any money doing it and to not waste your, or his time.

ImAKnockoff · Feb 6, 2006

breakinspokes said:
Its funny that people still respond to users like ImaKnockoff and Bulkytits about things like this. It is obvious they have no idea what they are talking about.

Dont waste your time.

My only statement was that it cost about $5 in materials to build that swingarm(just the actual materials) is this false, no its completly true. The fact that you guys are factoring in the price of the cnc machine, cnc bits, etc. is a whole other story!! im glad that bbr is trying to put out the best products available, but $700 for a swingarm is crazy. Whats this about R and D? its a swingarm, besides the actually look of the swingarm what could they possibly do thats never been done, the swingarm has been around forever its perfected...the end!!

Derekz93 · Feb 6, 2006

MXfitty245 said:
Alright I hate it when people say this, you could not build that swingarm for anywhere close to $100. You have no idea how much work goes into building swingarms or anything for that matter. You have to think about matirial, design, a jig for mass production, and the labor involved in building a swingarm. It probably costs BBR 5k to build the first swingarm. It's not done there, then they go back and make more swingarm's after re-searching their mistakes on the first one. Once they get it down to a science they just pay for matirial and labor. BBR and all these company's are expensive for a reason. They spend money designing a good product and expect to get payed for it. I wouldnt expect anything less.

I agree with you Kyle, my dad used to own a few cnc machines and do this kind of stuff all day long. and you guys only see the finished piece. Think of how much the machine costs bbr for one. Now think how much the programer makes an hour ($100+for a good programer). Now, How much do they have in testing? Actual cost for machine running time? Usually some one has to watch the machine to make sure the machine doesnt go off course. And what about material...A chunk of Aluminum that size costs a few hundred alone. Some of you dont even think these things through. For what your getting I ould think thats a resonable deal.

~E · Feb 6, 2006

ImAKnockoff said:
My only statement was that it cost about $5 in materials to build that swingarm(just the actual materials) is this false, no its completly true. The fact that you guys are factoring in the price of the cnc machine, cnc bits, etc. is a whole other story!! im glad that bbr is trying to put out the best products available, but $700 for a swingarm is crazy. Whats this about R and D? its a swingarm, besides the actually look of the swingarm what could they possibly do thats never been done, the swingarm has been around forever its perfected...the end!!

No, you are wrong... by a long shot. I dont remember cost of material but will guess $1.50/lb for raw billet. Each of those legs on the swingarm will probably weigh 25lbs before machining. If that were the case, you are looking at $75 in raw aluminum blocks. The center piece will also cost, so you are at about $100 in material and you havented even considered the adjuster blocks yet. CNC programming (which you are unable to do) will cost, tooling will cost. You dont even realize that the machinist needs to machine pieces that will hold the pieces you are making. That alone takes time to figure out. The wont hold themselves.

I challenge you guys to a project if you think it is so easy... You engineer and make, to completion... big bike style adjuster blocks for a BBR swingarm and if you can make them for less than $100 (your labor and time must be included) I will buy them for $300. Only catch is that I need to see receipts of costs and they must work.

Balls in your court.... or are you all talk?

~E

ImAKnockoff · Feb 6, 2006

breakinspokes said:
No, you are wrong... by a long shot. I dont remember cost of material but will guess $1.50/lb for raw billet. Each of those legs on the swingarm will probably weigh 25lbs before machining. If that were the case, you are looking at $75 in raw aluminum blocks. The center piece will also cost, so you are at about $100 in material and you havented even considered the adjuster blocks yet. CNC programming (which you are unable to do) will cost, tooling will cost. You dont even realize that the machinist needs to machine pieces that will hold the pieces you are making. That alone takes time to figure out. The wont hold themselves.

I challenge you guys to a project if you think it is so easy... You engineer and make, to completion... big bike style adjuster blocks for a BBR swingarm and if you can make them for less than $100 (your labor and time must be included) I will buy them for $300. Only catch is that I need to see receipts of costs and they must work.

Balls in your court.... or are you all talk?

~E

Your mathmatics are way off, and that swingarm doesnt take a 25lbs of aluminum to make it.

btw-Billet isnt a type of material smart guy, its the way the aluminum is cut.

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