Takegawa +R Superhead for China Engines

themountain · Jun 5, 2009

sipke said:
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I think it's nice to this effort because it shows that there are people who stand behind their product but in the end, the only reason for these runs will be that people demand a number that they dont understand before they buy. And that's one of laws of economy, nothing technical about that...

^^^^^most honest thing I read here for a long time...++++1 :fing02:

boonacka · Jun 5, 2009

Thanks for chiming back in minimob.

you should do th etest of the Tak and the TB head on a jailing125 with the TB 160 kit. the 160 piston is already matched to the new Tb (30/23.5) head. may have to clay for valve clearance with the Tak head depending on which cam your using. use a 28 carb or VM26. i'll send you my head if you pay for shipping? i'm on racing hiatis right now, gotta baby on the way.

MiniMob Racing · Jun 5, 2009

boonacka said:
Thanks for chiming back in minimob.

you should do th etest of the Tak and the TB head on a jailing125 with the TB 160 kit. the 160 piston is already matched to the new Tb (30/23.5) head. may have to clay for valve clearance with the Tak head depending on which cam your using. use a 28 carb or VM26. i'll send you my head if you pay for shipping? i'm on racing hiatis right now, gotta baby on the way.

Done. And we'll pay the return shipping back to ya! We have a new J125 and a new TB160 bore kit on the shelf. Hope your TB head is new or close, as we want this comparison to be as accurate as possible. Not interested in slamming any mfg, just actual results for you guys to use in your decisions.

Previous posters are absolutely right. Different dynos always provide different results. This test will only conclude which head makes more power on an identical setup, on the same day. We're always looking for the most performance throughout the rev range as well as peak HP.

fatcaaat · Jun 5, 2009

Hmmm...that isn't an apples to apples still, but much closer.

You cannot take the TB head and piston combination and then just pop the Taky head on unless they have the same CC combustion chamber so it makes very close Compression Ratios. So just make sure you take that into account. As well.

For the dyno...may as well take passes on a few carbs too. The TB28, the PW28, PWK28, VM26 and TM28 are all pretty popular choices.

Also, you have to jet them correctly as well...no just popping head for head, carb for carb. You have to tune them...maybe give 30 minutes per setup after the motor is reassembled for tuning and then pass?

Sounds like a great idea.

Also, what about the KLX style heads for the YX160 motors? Taky and TB make heads for them too. WOuld be nice for a unbiased pass on those too.

Kurlon · Jun 5, 2009

Actually, I like the idea of just swapping heads on a TB160 kit, no other changes besides jetting. For a lot of people, thats what this will come down to, a TB160 kit, and either a TB or Tak head, so that'll be a good comparison.

Will it prove which head is the 'ultimate?' No, but I don't think most people are going to shell out for the ultimate anyways.

storminnorman07 · Jun 8, 2009

MiniMob Racing said:
The boss goes out of town for two weeks and all hell breaks loose! lol Seriously, you are right, we should have run these engines already for you guys as promised. Busiest time of the year, and next to impossible to keep the +R heads in stock, they have already sold themselves. 90% have gone to the US. 5% Canada, 5% Europe.

But we promised and will deliver unbiased results from the same dyno, on the same day under the same conditions. If another mfg head makes more power than the +R, not only will we post the numbers, we'll start marketing them! That is of course if they aren't illegal copies.

The point here isn't to push one mfg over another, but rather publish the truth for the community so you can make your own informed decisions. The companies and so called 'unbiased posters' that trash competitor products are embarasing themselves and insulting the rest of you. Ever wonder why you don't see dyno comparisons from them yet lots of trashing? Pretty weak, but thanks for the free marketing, boys! Every time a forum group trashes Takegawa products, sales go up.

Not a single company returned our request for a TB tester head so we'll grab one on our own.

Which bore kit would you guys like to see tested with these head combos?

was not trash talking takegawa stuff. thats all i run is take stuff i like their heads. the point i was getting acrossed is that many other mini companys have made this claim they will run this head and this head and this head and post dynos to let us consumers see what which one pulls. but every time it never comes threw and if it does its of the product they are trying to push and the dyno is badly tampered with. i don't know about other guys on here but i am not interested in just its peak power i wanna see what kind of torque its pulling when it starts making power and when it signs off and would like to know what kind of setup it was done on to achieve those numbers.

T Bolt USA · Jun 8, 2009

what we have here is an excellent OPTION

for years we had kitaco & take , then tb came in with a good option

this is a very promising head that could be used in a few cc limited application to on say a jialing to make a killer 125cc class motor for alot less than a honda build

i thank mini mob for bringing these options , but also im asking if not only the full kits are avalible

but small service parts to keep guys happy when things break

to me as a vendor this is a key factor in offering performance products

MiniMob Racing · Jun 10, 2009

TheCRKid said:
what we have here is an excellent OPTION

for years we had kitaco & take , then tb came in with a good option

this is a very promising head that could be used in a few cc limited application to on say a jialing to make a killer 125cc class motor for alot less than a honda build

i thank mini mob for bringing these options , but also im asking if not only the full kits are avalible

but small service parts to keep guys happy when things break

to me as a vendor this is a key factor in offering performance products

Damn straight up point Vinnie! And we have been extremely impressed with the way Takegawa has responded to our pleadings.

We now have kits and replacement parts for:

+R Superhead - Lifan Bolt Pattern, valves, rockers, valve seals etc

KLX SCUT cylinders, pistons, misc parts (already listed on our site and posted here)

CRF SCUT cylinders, pistons, misc parts (listing soon)

Takegawa Special Clutch individual parts (listing soon)

...and a whole lot more coming this summer including the new EM head with added performance and lowered cost!

MiniMob Racing · Jun 10, 2009

storminnorman07 said:
was not trash talking takegawa stuff. thats all i run is take stuff i like their heads. the point i was getting acrossed is that many other mini companys have made this claim they will run this head and this head and this head and post dynos to let us consumers see what which one pulls. but every time it never comes threw and if it does its of the product they are trying to push and the dyno is badly tampered with. i don't know about other guys on here but i am not interested in just its peak power i wanna see what kind of torque its pulling when it starts making power and when it signs off and would like to know what kind of setup it was done on to achieve those numbers.

No worries! We have been watching certain vendors on PM for years and don't blame all you guys for being skeptical of certain paid advertisers. There is a lot more going on than most of you know. Its all too easy to post up bs numbers and bs dyno charts. I've seen dyno numbers on here from people we know who have never dynoed an engine! Pretty easy to figure out who the posers are.

MiniMob Racing · Jun 10, 2009

Kurlon said:
Actually, I like the idea of just swapping heads on a TB160 kit, no other changes besides jetting. For a lot of people, thats what this will come down to, a TB160 kit, and either a TB or Tak head, so that'll be a good comparison.

Will it prove which head is the 'ultimate?' No, but I don't think most people are going to shell out for the ultimate anyways.

Your wish is our command! Key to any test is remove all other variables. The big issue will be the cams as the TB head has like no options, while the Takegawa head offers 5.

MiniMob Racing · Jun 10, 2009

boonacka said:
Thanks for chiming back in minimob.

you should do th etest of the Tak and the TB head on a jailing125 with the TB 160 kit. the 160 piston is already matched to the new Tb (30/23.5) head. may have to clay for valve clearance with the Tak head depending on which cam your using. use a 28 carb or VM26. i'll send you my head if you pay for shipping? i'm on racing hiatis right now, gotta baby on the way.

Thanks Boon...PMed

We'll likely use a PE28...or PWK28

themountain · Jun 10, 2009

MiniMob Racing said:
... I've seen dyno numbers on here from people we know who have never dynoed an engine! Pretty easy to figure out who the posers are.

thats a bold statement !!:scratchchin:...since nobody see anything from you until today ... besides photos from the take website

ride1rob · Jun 10, 2009

storminnorman07 said:
was not trash talking takegawa stuff. thats all i run is take stuff i like their heads. the point i was getting acrossed is that many other mini companys have made this claim they will run this head and this head and this head and post dynos to let us consumers see what which one pulls. but every time it never comes threw and if it does its of the product they are trying to push and the dyno is badly tampered with. i don't know about other guys on here but i am not interested in just its peak power i wanna see what kind of torque its pulling when it starts making power and when it signs off and would like to know what kind of setup it was done on to achieve those numbers.

:stupid:

MiniMob, it's been almost a month and still nothing other than seeing you post up paragraphs

. WE WANT TO SEE RESULTS!!!

The best way to do a LEGIT dyno I would think is for an unbiased party to have it done. It's hard for me to believe that someone that's trying to promote a $629 head will post true facts on dyno results if those results are close. Exspecially when the part it's compared to it is $400 cheaper. My opionion is if the Take outperforms the TB by 2-2.5 hp it's not worth it to me when you look at the overall price of the 2. I currently have a ported 27/23 Lifan head and I haven't seen any convincing #'s enough for me to upgrade to the TB 30/23.5 race head as of yet.

MiniMob Racing · Jun 15, 2009

ride1rob said:
:stupid:

MiniMob, it's been almost a month and still nothing other than seeing you post up paragraphs . WE WANT TO SEE RESULTS!!!

The best way to do a LEGIT dyno I would think is for an unbiased party to have it done. It's hard for me to believe that someone that's trying to promote a $629 head will post true facts on dyno results if those results are close. Exspecially when the part it's compared to it is $400 cheaper. My opionion is if the Take outperforms the TB by 2-2.5 hp it's not worth it to me when you look at the overall price of the 2. I currently have a ported 27/23 Lifan head and I haven't seen any convincing #'s enough for me to upgrade to the TB 30/23.5 race head as of yet.

You made a couple of good points, but your pricing is off by a hun. +R Superheads with the Lifan bolt spacing are $529.99 all day, every day at MiniMob.

We shouldn't have posted that we were going to dyno compare setups until we had the time and components here to test, and the test done for that matter. Didn't think it would be that tough to get the TB head delivered.

Also, you are definitely right about an unbiased tester. Anybody unbiased here?

Curious to see what numbers you have seen for the TB head. I haven't run across anything but would love to see some graphs.

MiniMob Racing · Jun 15, 2009

themountain said:
thats a bold statement !!:scratchchin:...since nobody see anything from you until today ... besides photos from the take website

Not entirely true, Mountain! Some photos are from our website!

Seriously, you are right, Minimob Racing has just begun to support and advertise through PM, and naturally it will take some time to build trust. In 2 months and 40 posts, we've brought the community a new race head, new clutch, new mag clutch cover, new LF152cc bore kit, and replacement pistons for SCUT kits. Looking forward to some pretty awesome stuff coming up as well. BTW, what have you brought to the PM community? lol

Just kidding! I read over your previous posts, seems that a while back you weren't so negative!

themountain · Jun 15, 2009

hahaha...nothing to do with negativity

...but after your statement and browsing to your 40 posts...only thing I see is a veeery long sales pitch ..and this we have here in the past aaaaalot...so everybody is a bit tired about another one, no offense :fing02:

MiniMob Racing · Jun 15, 2009

themountain said:
hahaha...nothing to do with negativity...but after your statement and browsing to your 40 posts...only thing I see is a veeery long sales pitch ..and this we have here in the past aaaaalot...so everybody is a bit tired about another one, no offense :fing02:

A sales pitch in the Vendor area? Unheard of! lol

themountain · Jun 15, 2009

fair enough, but its a loooooong one...:fing02:

Matified · Jun 16, 2009

Can hardly wait to see how this turns out!!

firepower354 · Jun 16, 2009

themountain said:
hahaha...nothing to do with negativity...but after your statement and browsing to your 40 posts...only thing I see is a veeery long sales pitch ..and this we have here in the past aaaaalot...so everybody is a bit tired about another one, no offense :fing02:

I got strung along by a cheerleader, most of my Junior year, and never did see results...

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