Thanks, guys. The threads are a way to pass on ideas and techniques, but also a way to get together with like-minded people. A lot of what I know was from other people passing on their knowledge and experience online , in person and over the phone. Some of the knowledge is pretty basic, but seeing how someone can take a project one bite at a time and work their way through problems makes us all see how we can do it too. I have been wondering how many lurkers are out there, some past members just checking in, or those who have joined but don't feel like getting in on the conversation...or maybe its just us seven or eight guys. LOL!