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Thinking about the rebuild of another Daytona Anima that is worn. I have not done a Anima build with alternative parts yet and I am thinking about it. I see it has been discussed and I want to put together a parts list. Can someone that has done this before contribute please?

Head: Daytona Anima internals upgraded depending on build-out
Cylinder: Daytona Anima / (Zongshen 190 maybe when sleeving anyway?)
Engine Cases: Daytona Anima
Crankshaft: MBF/ TJR maybe if they will make a 62mm version as they make a special 42mm stroke for speedway
Piston: CRF150R modded/ MBF/ ???Alt Asia market option
Transmission: Honda Nice /MBF
Clutch: Honda Nice /MBF
Clutch Cover: Daytona Anima
Ignition: Stock Anima / Alternative with programmable curve?
Ignition cover: Takegawa +3rd point bearing crank

The above is me guessing from what I have researched so far.

Build displacement options: various amounts of $$ and custom fitting to achieve all of these options

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62126.8149.4160.0172.1187.2
66143.7169.3181.3195.0212.1
68152.5179.8192.5207.0225.2
69157.0185.1198.2213.1231.8
70161.6190.5204.0219.4238.6
72171.0201.5215.8232.1252.4
74180.6212.9227.9245.1266.7
75185.6218.7234.1251.8273.9
15,70013,30012,40011,60010,60022m/s piston speed RPM


@fatcaaat I think you have some info :p
 

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I run a 66mm stroke in my Honda Nice...no reason to believe you couldn't do the same in one of these. Also, Nice transmissions all have to be imported. The TRX90 gears and shafts are pretty much interchangable with the Nice stuff. The Nice clutch is better, but again, you could swap out to the TRX clutch back. I don't know compatibility wise on any of these, but do know there are honda products that interchange with Nice that many don't know of.
 

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I would stick with more common stuff. I dont know of any other internals that fit the Anima other than the MBF stuff. If I were to build mine more than it is, I'd go MBF crank and trans, MBF valves, off the shelf 66mm bore kit, and have someone who really knows porting to work the head. Since no one offers larger valves, the MBF valves would be a good durability upgrade, and keeping the stock valve size works well with the 62mm stroke/66mm bore setup. Also, not many cams available, so if you go shorter stroke like Stormin Normin did and run the rpm range higher, you would be best to have a custom cam made. All in all, the 212cc setup is ideal for the port size, valve size, cam, and other common parts available. My 212 kit with no other mods did over 22hp at the rear wheel with a PE28 carb.

I just installed the 66mm bore/212 kit this winter. I'll be running it in a few 6-hour endurance races this year to see how it holds up. Everything internally is stock Anima stuff, but I have welded the guide pins in my shift forks and shimmed the trans shafts for zero play to reduce transmission slop/enhance gear dog mesh.
 

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For the uninitiated, what is MBF? I have only ridden the daytona engines owned by others...i have not owned or been inside one.
 

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I would stick with more common stuff. I dont know of any other internals that fit the Anima other than the MBF stuff. If I were to build mine more than it is, I'd go MBF crank and trans, MBF valves, off the shelf 66mm bore kit, and have someone who really knows porting to work the head. Since no one offers larger valves, the MBF valves would be a good durability upgrade, and keeping the stock valve size works well with the 62mm stroke/66mm bore setup. Also, not many cams available, so if you go shorter stroke like Stormin Normin did and run the rpm range higher, you would be best to have a custom cam made. All in all, the 212cc setup is ideal for the port size, valve size, cam, and other common parts available. My 212 kit with no other mods did over 22hp at the rear wheel with a PE28 carb.

I just installed the 66mm bore/212 kit this winter. I'll be running it in a few 6-hour endurance races this year to see how it holds up. Everything internally is stock Anima stuff, but I have welded the guide pins in my shift forks and shimmed the trans shafts for zero play to reduce transmission slop/enhance gear dog mesh.
Wrench I do agree that is the should do thing. Its just not what I am into. I for the most part go bone stock or like trying mods the road less traveled. Right now MBF is the only player in the market and have a hold price wise. If good, nearly off the the shelf honda trx90/NICE parts can help the Anima engine I am looking to find out.
 

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I run a 66mm stroke in my Honda Nice...no reason to believe you couldn't do the same in one of these. Also, Nice transmissions all have to be imported. The TRX90 gears and shafts are pretty much interchangable with the Nice stuff. The Nice clutch is better, but again, you could swap out to the TRX clutch back. I don't know compatibility wise on any of these, but do know there are honda products that interchange with Nice that many don't know of.
The clutch side of the crank is different. No idea if the TRP NICE crank for Takie clutch could be used.

I'm going to have to read through the Poor Mans NICE thread again. Its been a few years.
What it really coming down to is buying a TRX90 engine, NICE engine, and an ANIMA. Tearing everything down at once and seeing what can be created.
 

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Just finished reading the Poor Mans NICE build thread again. And the Philippines XRM110 possibly being an electric start/semi auto version of a NICE is interesting. I go to PHL once or twice a year recently.

The bad is the kickstarter info about using a start in neutral engine. The ANIMA does not tick that checkbox. So will have to see if a NICE/TRX90/XRM110 clutch can be used.
 

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Daytona Anima Parts from Daytona

Item #87583: SOLID ROCKER ARM KIT The performance of High-rpm
Item #86878: Special hig rev
Item #87163: Special low and mid : genuine camshaft of 2014 engines
Item #87347: Special low rpm : genuine of 2015 2016 2017 engines.
Item #87343 New Valve Spring for our ANIMA 150 and 190 engine. It can be reached 500 rpm more.
Item #87577: D.I.D UPGRADE CAMCHAIN, 94-Link

Item #87760: CRANKSHAFT ASSY, 52.9MM
Item #86381: CRANKSHAFT ASSY, 49.5MM

Item #88011: BORE-UP KIT 212CC, FOR ANIMA190 Bore x Stroke : 66mm x 62mm, will work in 150 anima but will have lower compression ratio
Item #88599: FORGED RACING Piston KIT ANIMA 190
Item #87173: FORGED PISTON, ANIMA150F


Item #87421: MACHINED RIGHT CRANKCASE FOR 5-SPEED
Item #87422: MACHINED LEFT CRANKCASE FOR 5-SPEED
Item #87424: GEARSHIFT DRUM, 1N2345
Item #87423: 5 SPEED GEAR SET, for ANIMA150F, Need to machine or buy the machined crankcase.
Gear Ratio
1st: 2.43
2nd: 1.73
3rd: 1.33
4th: 1.09
5th: 0.92

Item #88824 CARBURETOR KIT, MV33-1F for ANIMA190
Item #88253: INTAKE MANIFOLD SETfor PE28/ANIMA F15-degree Pitch
Item #86588 pwk33 carb
Item #86619 adapter for pwk33
Item #86085 bolts for adapter pwk33
Item #86405 gasket for pwk33 adapter
 

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Added 41.4mm and 66mm stroke

Bores41.44249.553576266 Strokes
62125.0126.8149.4160.0172.1187.2199.3
66141.6143.7169.3181.3195.0212.1225.8
68150.4152.5179.8192.5207.0225.2239.7
69154.8157.0185.1198.2213.1231.8246.8
70159.3161.6190.5204.0219.4238.6254.0
72168.6171.0201.5215.8232.1252.4268.7
74178.1180.6212.9227.9245.1266.7283.9
75182.9185.6218.7234.1251.8273.9291.6
15,93015,70013,30012,40011,60010,60010,000 22m/s piston speed RPM
 

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Added 41.4mm and 66mm stroke

Bores41.44249.553576266 Strokes
62125.0126.8149.4160.0172.1187.2199.3
66141.6143.7169.3181.3195.0212.1225.8
68150.4152.5179.8192.5207.0225.2239.7
69154.8157.0185.1198.2213.1231.8246.8
70159.3161.6190.5204.0219.4238.6254.0
72168.6171.0201.5215.8232.1252.4268.7
74178.1180.6212.9227.9245.1266.7283.9
75182.9185.6218.7234.1251.8273.9291.6
15,93015,70013,30012,40011,60010,60010,000 22m/s piston speed RPM
Your chart and comments impress me, well done!
If you want any sort of RPM out of the thing, it needs proper valves, valve guides and valve springs. The stuff it comes with are junk. Plus the cam profile in the same in/ex so there is work to be done there. You have the idea to make it pump, now make it breathe.
 

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post pictures and dimensions of the transmission parts and we can see if the Nice or TRX stuff will drop in. Same with the clutch basket and crank.
 

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post pictures and dimensions of the transmission parts and we can see if the Nice or TRX stuff will drop in. Same with the clutch basket and crank.
I have an eye out for another anima. I'm not too eager at the moment because I'm trying to buy the last of the Takegawa DOHC heads for gb4 small case, Takegawa has discontinued their DOHC kits.
 

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Your chart and comments impress me, well done!
If you want any sort of RPM out of the thing, it needs proper valves, valve guides and valve springs. The stuff it comes with are junk. Plus the cam profile in the same in/ex so there is work to be done there. You have the idea to make it pump, now make it breathe.
I have been sorting out companies that I have worked with in the past and getting ready to pick a source for those components
 

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MBF parts for Daytona Anima http://www.mbfactory.it/shop/
Some parts are starting to be discontinued

Item #MBF0734 Lightweight slotted C45 steel cam gear 8.6deg adjustment
Item #MBF0709 7075 hard anodized valve retainer orig 5gr mbf 2gr
Item #MBF0587 MBF intake valve 21mm
Item #MBF0586 MBF exhaust valve 24.5mm
Item #MBF0636 MBF Forged 62mm piston for 190
Item #MBF0637 MBF Forged 62mm piston for 150
Item #MBF0584 MBF rod kit 3pc for 150 crank. rod length 103.5mm
Item #MBF0555 MBF rod kit 3pc for 160 crank. rod length 101.8mm
Item #MBF0585 MBF rod kit 3pc for 190 crank. rod length 96.7mm
Item #MBF0564 MBF rod 1pc for 150 crank. rod length 103.5mm
Item #MBF0592 MBF rod 1pc for 160 crank. rod length 101.8mm
Item #MBF0548 MBF rod 1pc for 190 crank. rod length 96.7mm
Item #MBF0561 MBF Crankshaft 62mm stroke. Use with anima190 piston. Rod length 96.7mm. 190cc
Item #MBF0620 MBF Crankshaft 57mm stroke. Use with anima150 piston. Rod length 99.8mm. 170cc
Item #MBF0562 MBF Crankshaft 53mm stroke. Use with anima150 piston. Rod length 101.8mm. 160cc
Item #MBF0563 MBF Crankshaft 49.5mm stroke. Use with anima150 piston. Rod length 103.5mm. 150cc
Item #MBF0634 MBF koyo crank bearing c4 sh 22x56x16
Item #MBF0566 MBF koyo crank bearing c4 22x56x16
Item #MBF0588 MBF crank pin and bearing 26x31x14
Item #MBF0627 MBF clutch outer basket 7075
Item #MBF0607 MBF clutch inner basket 7075
Item #MBF0605 MBF clutch rubber coupling
Item #MBF0572 MBF Primary gear for clutch basket 67d
Item #MBF0573 MBF Starter gear for clutch basket
Item #MBF0714 MBF 6 disc fiber plate pack with steels 6-3mm fiber, 5-1.5mm steel
Item #MBF0571 MBF Motard transmission gears 1-2.357-14/33, 2-1.563-16/25, 3-1.278-18/23, 4-1.091-22/24
Item #MBF0652 MBF Motard transmission 3rd gear replacement set 3-1.278-18/23
Item #MBF0571 MBF Cross transmission gears 1-2.357-14/33, 2-1.733-15/26, 3-1.368-19/26, 4-1.136-22/25
 

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MBF no longer makes the 62mm crank. I was looking at building a 66x57 with the 212 kit/170 crank but once you start down this path it gets very expensive if you are looking for bulletproof, which might be an impossible task. The best value of the 190-4v is a new engine is only $1300, that makes them essentially disposable. My last 190 sheared the crank on the alternator side which took out the head, just the cost of parts to rebuild it is almost as much as a new motor! That was likely due to over rev. 62 mm is a LONG stroke.
 

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MBF no longer makes the 62mm crank. I was looking at building a 66x57 with the 212 kit/170 crank but once you start down this path it gets very expensive if you are looking for bulletproof, which might be an impossible task. The best value of the 190-4v is a new engine is only $1300, that makes them essentially disposable. My last 190 sheared the crank on the alternator side which took out the head, just the cost of parts to rebuild it is almost as much as a new motor! That was likely due to over rev. 62 mm is a LONG stroke.
Was your Anima 190 a V2.0?
What was the rev limiter set to? You say over rev and I believe I have seen you do motard, was it over rev from a downshift on pavement?
Which ignition were you running?
 

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This was a newer 190 that still had the larger flywheel and adj ignition and I ran it as a motard on pavement. I ran the stock rev limiter, I did try the +1 setting for a bit, that was a brain fart on my account as I trusted that if they had 3 higher settings it must be safe. I should have done the math as above. As it is the stock setting is too high for extended high rpms. I ran the snot out of this engine bouncing the stock rev limit all the time to avoid shifting so I don't blame the failure on the engine, but the reality is this is an inexpensive dirt bike engine in the first place. It went as I was accelerating hard in 3rd gear, when it broke the cam and the crank were no longer in sync and the piston hit the intake valves so hard it broke the rocker mount destroying the head. Building a new head from parts is too expensive but the only complete head I could find was $550 so along with needing a crank/piston/cam it's better to just buy a new engine. TB is supposed to get completed heads so I may rebuilt it depending on their price. The new engines come with the smaller flywheel which should take some stress off the crank. I'm getting a tach too ;)

190crank.jpg
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I don't know if it was just fermented grape juice thirty when mbf made the set a customer sent me to install in a head or not. But I strongly urge to inspect them before installing. How is everyone uploading pics on here now that photobucket is not free?
 
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