[Quick50s]

Competition is good, however stealing from your competitors is just not right. Especially when you try to pass it off as the same quality. For example the forks that 50Caliper are selling look identical to the BBR SP5's however the quality is day and night. The picture may look aight but trust me it's not the same. These SP5 knock offs are like pogo sticks. You might as well hook up a battery to your 50 and put hydralics on it cause your gonna be bouncin all over the track. As for the iShock replica, you might as well put a stick in its place. That thing doesn't even function and 50caliper is trying to sell it for only a few bucks less than iShock. What a joke. These guys aren't orginators they're imitator's.

 

[50man]

I just noticed those a-holes listed thier add 2 down from mine!!!!!!!!!

Talk about playing dirty. WTF!!!!!

I hope no one comes in here with the screen name "50caliber"

 

[50 Donkey]

Here's the deal people. If a company changes one item on a front fork, whether it be a seal, longer or shorter travel, or another measurement, the original company doesn't have a leg to stand on in the legal system.



Plus, with copies entering the market, have you thought the prices on all these products may come down a touch?



I'm sorry, but $1000-$1600 for a set of forks is silly in the grand scheme of things, so if I company can sell a comparable fork for a fraction of the cost, it does nothing but help the 50 market.



competition is great, no matter how you view it.

I usually always agree with you Z, but your facts on this are INCORRECT, at least in Cali. By law you have to change the product 15% of its original design. It is NOT something so simple as changing a few measurements or using a different size seal. If you copy something to the tee and not change the design as this Caliper company has, BBR and all the other companies that they have copied will eat them up in court. I know this for fact and had to fight a few court cases and 9 out of 10 times the person that copied the product does not win, that is if they show up.

 

[Guest]

Competition is good, however stealing from your competitors is just not right. Especially when you try to pass it off as the same quality. For example the forks that 50Caliper are selling look identical to the BBR SP5's however the quality is day and night. The picture may look aight but trust me it's not the same. These SP5 knock offs are like pogo sticks. You might as well hook up a battery to your 50 and put hydralics on it cause your gonna be bouncin all over the track. As for the iShock replica, you might as well put a stick in its place. That thing doesn't even function and 50caliper is trying to sell it for only a few bucks less than iShock. What a joke. These guys aren't orginators they're imitator's.

have u, personnally, ridden both the shock and forks? and idk about most of yall, but like 100 dollars is NOT a few bucks. dont those have adjustable compression? hell, i dont care, im not a super-duper-top-quality-top-of- the- line-pay-top-dollar- for-name-brand type of a guy. shoot, ive PAID top dollar for stuff and they screw up in a few minutes COUGH*frklegs*COUGH

 

[MpR]

If you guys don;t like the guy, hit him up on aim - minimotorsports1

 

[Guest]

I am kinda torn on this. on one side I see the crappiness of stealing someone elses ideas and to the T no less. Thats just wrong. On the other hand, I think competition is good and helps the consumer. We pay such high prices for some of this stuff it's unreal.



Isn't BBR's forks a copy of other forks too? Where exactly do you draw the line? If I designed something from scratch, I'd be really torked at 50Caliber, but since BBR didn't and copied something themselves, I'm not quite sure what to think. I think maybe 50caliber could have done at least a little better job of changing their stuff to make more of a difference.



One situation comes to mind in this and thats prescrition medications. If it weren't for generic versions of original drugs, we'd all be paying a lot more for them.



So, I guess I'm officially sitting on the fence on this one until more of the story comes in.

 

[Z]

A couple of years ago, BBR was taking loads of pictures of the G-craft Twin-spar frame at another vendor booth at Indy. A short time later, they developed their own twin spar frame, based on a similar design with their own personal touches.



Numerous vendors have copied billetware frames, numerous vendors have come out with wheels similar to Hondas, numerous vendors have copied the Honda C90 cylinders and call them 88cc BBK's. Kitaco's older style 4 plate clutch is almost identical to the Honda CD90 motor available in Japan.



I know nothing about this specific case, but if a company comes out with a similar product and it's just as good and cheaper, we should be mad about this?



A direct copy is frustrating for the designer, but if there is no patent, it's open season these days, especially for companies who manufacture overseas.



BBR's disclaimer is rather entertaining if you ask me. How many times have they sued people?



I used to get worked up about this stuff, but if a similar product can be brought to market cheaper, I say go for it.



The days of brand name companies overcharging is quickly about to come to and end, and I for one say it's about time.



Let the talking heads worry about litigation and fighting, and let us worry about how to spend our money and make our own decisions. If a similar product is crap, you'll find out in short order, but if it's just as good or better, people will purchase and enjoy.



I just want parts that work and work well, and am way past spending premium dollars for bragging rights. Look at any of my bikes, and you'll be hard pressed to see who makes the parts. The only thing you'll notice is the builder has a good eye for building cool combinations.



In all honesty, I think our time is better not speaking of branding and toss away the koolaid we've been drinking, and embrace the changes coming to the marketplace, as long as the parts work as advertised.

 

[50 Donkey]

Pam, yes they copied them but they designed their own clamp setup that works for the 50s.

And I do agree with you Z on saving money on similar goods as long as it's not a direct copy of another company, which ALL of Calibers products appear to be.

As for BBR's frame you talk about, that's exactly the case, they took an idea and made it better then what was available and for a LOT more money, not cheaper.

 

[DRTracing]

Is there a list of the companies that are doing all the copying.

 

[d-dub]

if it works good why not get it. Its all about competition right?

 

[d-dub]

I would like to say that i am not impressed with bbrs sp5 forks. I raced my friends bike that had them and i blew the seals after one race. I am sure that the quality is not that much different. and it should be known that both the sp5 and that 50calliber companies forks are not the same as xr 70 forks. the lower tubes are different. the sp5 has more travel. The only thing that is the same is the diameter of the tubes in the clamp. If you guys want cheap forks, look up some XL 80 forks on ebay. They have the same travel as the sp5 and will work with bbr's xr 70 bar kit. I know because my friend made his own kit with these for his crf50/124cc

 

[mxracer728]

if it works good why not get it. Its all about competition right?

but as we found out on another post on PM today, they are crap