[SS LS1]

Like the title says, anyone know if you can adapt a pull starter to a Daytona Anima FLX 190CC engine with the decomp cam?

Also what intake and carb (PE28 possibly?) would you need to fit under a stock metal gas tank on an ATC70? (Assuming the tank under side has already been clearanced for a VM26 carb)

Thanks for the input guys. Gotta have plans for the future right?

 

[John jr]

Pull start

Talk to Gordon. He put the pull start kit on the 190. Logan said it worked Great. There's Pic's of it on there web site. Here's a few pic's of my 190 just tossed into a hardtail frame to see if it would fit. That's a stock frame, No stretch.

 

[SS LS1]

Ah yes the Kevorikan idea! Surprised it actually fits on a stock frame hardtail. So what carb and intake manifold was on there in that photo? Can't believe you had it that far along and didn't at least ride it once before the R55 build.

 

[John jr]

That was with stock manifold, And the PE 28 carb. That motor in a hardtail wont be as bad as most people think. The power delivery is great. Not as radical as some motors. It's the top speed and how fast it gets there that will get you.

 

[SS LS1]

Thanks for the information as always! I was thinking the same thing about the power delivery that it would be more linear and build more smoothly with RPMs due to the 4 valve head vs say the abrupt hit my 150cc engine has.

I love the smooth progressive power the 114cc engine has and would like to duplicate that on a larger scale. Wondering if the Anima 4 valve would build power in a similar feel or just best to look towards a Works 141cc build someday? Can you describe the "power band" feel of your 141cc and the Anima vs the 114cc engine?

Thanks, Greg

 

[John jr]

That's easy. The 141cc pulls just like the 114cc, but more of it. And the 190cc pulls just like the 114cc does, But there is a ton more of it. For an all around play trike I'd do the 141, Because of the Semi Auto with the beefed up clutch is AWESOME.

 

[JanssonK]

a little question. The FLX engine doesnt have the street gearbox right? Just power delivery from the stator?

 

[my67xr]

The 190FLX has the close ratio gearbox, The 190F has taller 3rd and 4th gear's
190FLX has lighting coil, but my 190F and 190FDX also have a lighting coil (both are 'as delivered' engine's, eg no replacement part's)

 

[SS LS1]

That's easy. The 141cc pulls just like the 114cc, but more of it. And the 190cc pulls just like the 114cc does, But there is a ton more of it. For an all around play trike I'd do the 141, Because of the Semi Auto with the beefed up clutch is AWESOME.

Perfect answers as always! What you described is both what I was hoping and guessing for on how these motors pull compared to the 114cc engine. Don't know why I love that motor so much but I do.

Going off topic but it's ok as it's my thread right?

Back story..... Last weekend a friend of mine came over to ride both my ATC 70s and see how each of them perform. He recently bought 2 ATC 70s that are stock and he wants to build up one for him and one for her. He wants a hot rodded one for hitting the dunes and hauling his 6'4" frame around w/o any problems and the other to be more mild where any adult could handle yet enough power to make you grin with each wheelie. Sounds familiar right?

So he rides the 114cc, is ripping wheelies in minutes and can't wipe the goofy grin off his face. Then I put him on my warmed over 150cc Piranha and within 2 miutes he had a serious look on his face and was like "here, you can have it back". LOL I made him ride it a few more minutes as he had been talking about buying the Piranha 150cc e-start engine like you have. So after stalling it several times while starting out due the the low inertia of the trans mounted clutch. And also having it feel like a wild Bronco that is constantly trying to flip you on your back when you stab the throttle he was wanting to get back on the 114cc trike. He did and appreciated the smooth powerband even more so than he did during the first ride on the 114cc trike.

So, now he is confused on what to buy/build for each of his trikes and wants my advice. He watched the GoPro video of me on my 150cc in the dunes and knows he wants that much power but not sold on the power delivery of these larger manual clutch motors after riding mine. He absolutely loved the feel of the 114cc but we both fear it would be rung out to death on the dunes with a rider his size and could use a few more hp. I suggested he get a V2 Works 141 Lifan and he would likely love it but he is concerned it won't be as powerful as my 150cc for the dunes.

I'm convinced a Works V2 head 141cc would have more hp than my 150cc with Z40 cam, thin head gasket and ported stock head but he does not completely believe me.

So after all of that back story........ John, how does the power of your 141cc compare to your 150e start motor? Which is more powerful in the dunes and how does the power delivery (drive ability) of each motor compare?

After talking with my friend I have been thinking about a 141cc myself but then I got the silly idea of using an Anima 190cc since they are very similar in price once you are done building up the Lifan to the level of yours.

Appreciate your help and input!

 

[John jr]

Well as both bikes are geared right now, The 150 E-start is faster. The 141 has a lot more trackable power, Getting power to the ground. The 150 as you know has a very fast RPM range, Creating a lot of wheel spin. If I regeared the 141, It's geared a little tall right now, I might be able to keep up with the 150. Both motors are fun to ride. But the 141 is my favorite because of the way it puts the power to the ground, And it's a hell of a good wheelie motor from slow 1st gear wheelies to great 3rd gear wheelies at speed.

 

[SS LS1]

John, Thanks for the input as it really helps put into perspective just how each motor "feels" or how trackable the different powerbands hit. You described them perfectly and I understand the fast RPM range of the 150cc motors you describe. Adding the Z40 cam did help smooth the initial hit of the 150 and carry the power into the upper RPMs but it still is nothing like the smooth powerband of the 114cc engine.

I have been thinking the powerband delivery of 150s has a lot to do with the lack of weight on the crankshaft. Where the 114cc and the 141cc both have heavier auto clutches/oil slingers which make them accelerate much smoother and are easier to put around on at low speeds. (Luggability) The 150 can be tricky to start rolling along or during low speed manuvering without stalling it unless you keep the RPMs up. I may look into adding a heavier flywheel to the 150 (if one is available) to help tame the aggressiveness making it more enjoyable and less of a chore to ride. Any thoughts on this? It may be difficult finding a different flywheel for your e-start motor though I would imagine.


I appreciate your input as it will help me decide on future project plans and also my friend who is in need of which direction to go for his 1st ATC 70 motor build. It's good to hear the 141cc is a great wheelie machine like the 114cc as that is what we are all really looking for right?

 

[T Bolt USA]

Any pictures of this ?

 

[SS LS1]

Which ATC are you looking for photos on? I'm sure we can find some photos or videos.