117SE Motor

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Discussion Starter · May 28, 2004

As most some of you know I am looking at getting a 117SE. I have a few questions first. What size carb are most of you with them running? What size piston is in it (54mm, bigger,etc.?)? What are you guys running for gearing with them and for what type of tracks (i.e. big bike motocross, 50 only mx's, tight tracks, etc)? Where can you get them? I know Classic Honda sells them, but who else? I am thinking of 117SE bore/ stroke kit, carb to work with it, takegawa 3 speed close ratio with many clutch, possible inner rotor (takegawa or kitico), high volume oil pump, and other little tinkers. Think I should start with a motor or just get some cases and build it from that? Seems like I would be replacing about everything if I start with a motor. Does anyone sell a compete 117SE motor? Thanks.

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Dakota569

· #2 · May 28, 2004

I know this is of topic , but Ive been wanting to ask you this question for a long time Cyclerider.... Just how hard do you have to chop the throttle at take off to do that 1/2 front flip trick on your Quad ? 8) Or did the thing sieze up on take off or somethin ......

LogiKal

· #3 · May 28, 2004

Looks like a seat bounce gone bad.

mike224

· #4 · May 28, 2004

Use your existing motor to build this kit you are looking to buy. There are to many parts you would need to buy.(Shift drum, gearsets, oil pump push rod and spring, etc.) As for carb I am running a 24mm which is to small but I dont think I want to go any faster on this little bike. :twisted: Defintely get the 5 disc clutch from Takagawa, this is a very nice assy. I dont know how people can use these bikes without a close ratio trans. but buy it. :roll: it makes all the difference in the world. As for gearing I have a 15/35 in there right now, but I am still playing with the gearing.(I have been to busy working to play with it lately) Inner rotor :? :? I am still on the fence on this one. I have it installed on my bike now, and throttle response is unbelievable :twisted: (This thing sounds like a 250f 8) anyway it is rideable this way but I dont think some flywheel would hurt this motor. Dont forget your oil cooler this thing does run hotter than a 88 kit. I hope this helps some.

Thanks mike

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Discussion Starter · #5 · May 28, 2004

To Dakota569- Like Bryce said it was a seat bonuce gone bad :? . I hit a rough spot before take off and my hand lost grip on my twist throttle

. I was already sitting and there you have it. Looks like it was going to work ok then the front shoots down

. As you can tell I thought it would work because I didn't bail :x . I only broke my collar bone though :roll: .

Mike224- I have an TB88 with head and I don't want to just let it sit. I also have enough parts to build a stock 50. I just need a motor for it. I was going to use my current motor on that. I was going to get an oil cooler I just forgot to list that. I have one on my 88 too. My dad owns a Honda shop so I could get all the internal motor parts. I wonder if I can get a complete motor, I'll have to check. Do you know what size piston is in it? I know the 124 DOHC has a 54mm one. Did you have to get your cases bored for the 117SE? I know you have to when you put in a 54mm.

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Pimpindahoes

· #6 · May 28, 2004

cyclerider.....i need a complete motor sooo bad.....ask your dad to hook it up.

i really just need the tranny and bottom end.

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Discussion Starter · #7 · May 29, 2004

I looked it up and we don't know yet. We will have to call them and see if we can get complete motors. I'll let you know when I find out.

50mAfIa

· #8 · May 29, 2004

ya that crash sucks, seat bouncing on a quad is not easy, what kind of shocks u running? pep,axis,elka...?

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Discussion Starter · #9 · May 29, 2004

Custom Axis...as we speak I am waiting on my set for flat track/ TT. I am still using my mx shocks so it sits high.

Z

· #10 · May 29, 2004

Here's what I would recommend building a 117SE

117SE BB KIT

High Volume Oil Pump

Close Ratio Gear set

Takegawa, Kitaco or Daytona Multi-Disk Clutch Setup

VM26 Mikuni 26mm Carb with Left Hand Side Intake

Biggest Inner Diameter Pipe on the market

Biggest Oil Cooler you can find on the market

I'd also run an oil catch tank to let the motor breathe more efficiently.

Inner Rotor Kit

The 24mm carb is waaaay too small for this motor. For Street use, I'd run a 28mm carb, 26mm in the dirt

Add all of those parts up, and you can purchase 2 CRF50's. It will be a blast to ride, but keep in mind you will never get close to getting your $$ back out of the bike if you have to sell it..

Hint: If you want to save some $$ on these parts, I wouldn't call the Kitaco Distributors, but rather one of their resellers, as they are more hungry for business and your opportunity to get a discount is much greater. While it's common knowledge the resellers are supposed to stick to list pricing, many don't and deals can be made. Do some price shopping, don't rat out the reseller and save some $$.

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xr50racer

· #11 · May 29, 2004

This is the set up i have built 6 of these motors in the last week.

I actually got some new crank bearings im trying on two of them. They are ceramic...mmmmm TRICK one off parts.

We are running an oil pump, oil cooler, vm26m carb, Tak 3 speed close ration manuyal clutch set up. Gearing we are at right now is a 15 34. We played around a bit and this seems to work.

The exhaust we are running right now is the PC Ti-4 exhaust. It makes great usable power. If you need any help setting it up after you get it give me a call maybe i can help you out jetting it.

This year will be real competitive on the race scene.

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dhanson96

· #12 · May 29, 2004

Kinda off topic, but does a 3 speed close ratio work on a stock clutch?

Z

· #13 · May 29, 2004

If any of you have a huge budget and want to overpower 99% of the racers at the track, I'd run a modified Honda NICE motor. You can bore and stroke them out to 160+cc's, and with some slight modifications, could run the Kitaco SE head or other high $$ performance heads. If you could handle the power, and get it to the ground, there wouldn't be a racer around that would be able to keep up. 20-25 HP depending how you set it up. Not a bolt on proposition, but if you have motor building skills and want to win races, you'd be able to crush the competition.

If you want to take on a project such as this, I would do it sooner than later, as Honda is no longer building the Honda NICE 110 motor, and the prices keep going up and up..

However, if you don't have fabrication skills, the 117SE with some minor tweaks will help you along your way.

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Discussion Starter · #14 · May 29, 2004

A lot of power does nothing if the rider/ racer can't handle the bike. Also you need to be able to get the power to the ground. Just remember that people.

DirtySouthRacing

· #15 · May 29, 2004

z88R said:
If any of you have a huge budget and want to overpower 99% of the racers at the track, I'd run a modified Honda NICE motor. You can bore and stroke them out to 160+cc's, and with some slight modifications, could run the Kitaco SE head or other high $$ performance heads. If you could handle the power, and get it to the ground, there wouldn't be a racer around that would be able to keep up. 20-25 HP depending how you set it up. Not a bolt on proposition, but if you have motor building skills and want to win races, you'd be able to crush the competition.

If you want to take on a project such as this, I would do it sooner than later, as Honda is no longer building the Honda NICE 110 motor, and the prices keep going up and up..

However, if you don't have fabrication skills, the 117SE with some minor tweaks will help you along your way.

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Discussion Starter · #16 · May 29, 2004

DirtySouthRacing said:
[quote name='z88R']If any of you have a huge budget and want to overpower 99% of the racers at the track, I'd run a modified Honda NICE motor. You can bore and stroke them out to 160+cc's, and with some slight modifications, could run the Kitaco SE head or other high $$ performance heads. If you could handle the power, and get it to the ground, there wouldn't be a racer around that would be able to keep up. 20-25 HP depending how you set it up. Not a bolt on proposition, but if you have motor building skills and want to win races, you'd be able to crush the competition.

If you want to take on a project such as this, I would do it sooner than later, as Honda is no longer building the Honda NICE 110 motor, and the prices keep going up and up..

However, if you don't have fabrication skills, the 117SE with some minor tweaks will help you along your way.

[/quote]I was just making note of it again. I read that part so don't worry. Just didn't want some kid to go spend $4,000 on a motor thinking he will win.

I edited it a little to make it more clear what I was saying.

DirtySouthRacing

· #17 · May 29, 2004

I wasn't sure if you saw that or not. All good.

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