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MoTo_XXX · 10-07-2008, 04:44 AM

ino ino ino ive strarted a few threads lately but its just a hard choice and i never seem to get an answer only ppl saying like 3 words which doesnt help me out one bit

im looking at either of these what do you thinks better??? also how much power do the kitaco and tb and taky kits make without the head just useing the stock head???? and are the kitaco and taky faster then the TB kits???

wat HP for taky 88 "S" stage kit??? ...STOCK HEAD...
wat HP for TB 88 kit??? ...STOCK HEAD...
wat HP kitaco 88 kit??? ...STOCK HEAD...

and is the TB race head kit much faster then all the 88 stock head kits i said above???
Whats the HP on a TB 88 race head kit approximatly???

also whats the difference between the kitaco light bore kit and just the kitaco bore kit??? both 88's???

ino the kitaco and taky will be better quality and probly more reliable then the TB but im not after the best racing machine i just want somthing to get my 240 pound ass around on.im in more after whats better value for money$$$

i dont wanna spend anymore then the kitaco and taky 88 limited ktis are worth so i could get the TB race head kit for the money but is it better to get the taky or kitaco???

thank you again

firepower354 · 10-07-2008, 05:02 AM

All the stock head kits are 4-5hp, maybe 6 with an FMF and TB carb, cam.
The stock head sucks, and it doesn't matter what jug is propping it up.

TB88 race head is 8hp-ish, with carb, pipe, etc. This will be faster than any of the stock head kits.

A China 86/107 crank, 107 alloy jug, e22 head would be cheaper, and make more power and way more torque, but we've discussed that...

A bolt-in Jialing/GPX 125 will be a much nicer combo for a larger rider. 4 gears, more torque, and tons of build options. Add a domed piston and you'll run from a 3 speed 88 race head with a similar sized lump on the seat.

firepower354 · 10-07-2008, 05:10 AM

Oh, and 88 kits are BS. Watch the case to spigot contact closely, if you go that route. Honda case bores are often not lined up right for an 88 sleeve, and when they get forced on, the whisper thin spigot gets distorted and scuffs the piston skirt. Still will run, but there's extra drag that shouldn't be. Usually the intake/top, where there's less oil flung. I always mock up the topend with no rings and turn the crank by hand. ANY binding needs to be addressed. You can hang the engine, topend-down from the peg bar in a vice and scrape the offending area with a utility knife, if you don't wanna bore the cases. Even the overhanging center gasket can cause a bind.

MoTo_XXX · 10-07-2008, 05:13 AM

yeh firepower ino and thanks for all the help threw PM a week or so ago but i bought a honda for the engine and because there so fun.so im just gunna lightly mod the crf engine

all ill be doing is riding my backyrad track and maybe with a few races with mates but all this is just for fun...

so i think i might just go with a 88 stock head kit for now.

but atleast firepower can tell me what i want to know as the other threads ive made people just talk **** in so thanks heaps firepower.

MoTo_XXX · 10-07-2008, 05:17 AM

also ive got a keihn PC18 to go on the stock head kit if i get it and a uni filter and ill get a pipe soon after so ill have

the bore kit kitaco,taky,TB whatever i decide to go with
PC18 carb
hi vol oil pump
pipe
cam
TB billet clutch kit

so with that that should be a ok setup shouldnt it???and probly get the 6hp yeh???

firepower354 · 10-07-2008, 05:18 AM

No sweat. You can add a better head and matching piston later, if you wanna upgrade. Ok, WHEN you wanna upgrade

New e22's are $75 or so, and add a $50 piston, $10 gaskets, you'll be up 30-50% in power.

That poor little bike will be a lot faster if you lay off the deep-fried Wallaby and Fosters

firepower354 · 10-07-2008, 05:20 AM

6hp isn't out of the question. Watch the piston to head clearance, and shoot for no more than .75mm to get all the squeeze you can. The TB piston is domed a tiny bit, and helps, plus the kit's cheaper.

MoTo_XXX · 10-07-2008, 05:21 AM

haha yeh ino ive lost a few pound lately haha

im like 98kg's which is like 240lbs i guess haha

but yeh i can upgrade later on so im not to worried.

BlackBeard · 10-07-2008, 10:07 AM

i would stay with TB for there complete race head 88 kits, if you solely want an 88 bore go to DrATV OPERATES HERE and pick up the complete kit for 99 dollars. his parts are good and all the 88 kits will last just as long

MoTo_XXX · 10-07-2008, 07:59 PM

ok thanks for the help guys

MoTo_XXX · 10-07-2008, 08:01 PM

i might just buy the TB race head kit an dthen just run the jug and stock head and see how i like it then if that isnt what i want ill chuck the RH on...???

the piston it comes with will work with a stock head wont it ???or do i need a new one???

firepower354 · 10-07-2008, 08:03 PM

Nope. Piston for the race head is domed, and won't clear the 50 head.

MoTo_XXX · 10-07-2008, 08:07 PM

well ill just buy a piston for the stock head aswell and run the stock head and see what its like then ill know if its what i want

and is its not i can put the head on no dramas???

i realy dont want alot of power this is just a backyard racer to have fun on not racing mini moto or anything

firepower354 · 10-07-2008, 08:08 PM

Yeah, you can swap the rac-ier head and matching piston later. The 50 head piston would suck if used with a better head, no compression.

MoTo_XXX · 10-07-2008, 08:10 PM

yeh thanks once again firepower you RE the man haha

firepower354 · 10-07-2008, 08:33 PM

Or re-re, maybe...

MoTo_XXX · 10-07-2008, 08:50 PM

lol meant to say YOUR the man.

BlackBeard · 10-07-2008, 09:33 PM

i would reccomend the dratv kit i mentioned and just run it, once you want more power save up and get the full tb race head kit

MoTo_XXX · 10-07-2008, 10:08 PM

ive got enough for the race head kit now but i dont want a fast bike i want a fun bike for my track so im just gunna run a 88 linited kit to see how i like it

CMS92 · 10-08-2008, 04:15 PM

If you go with a Takegawa or Kitaco Bore up kit without the head it's almost a waste because your spending $200-$250 and with the TB race head kit your spending about $360.I wasn't very happy with the stock head option i took and ended up spending alot more to get the kit i should have in the first place.The bore up with a better cam and bigger carb and pipe only gave me 5.5hp and everyone kicked my a**,i could'nt even keep up with them.

10-07-2008, 04:44 AM	#1 (permalink)
MoTo_XXX 1st Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 214	taky vs TB 88 kit??? ino ino ino ive strarted a few threads lately but its just a hard choice and i never seem to get an answer only ppl saying like 3 words which doesnt help me out one bit im looking at either of these what do you thinks better??? also how much power do the kitaco and tb and taky kits make without the head just useing the stock head???? and are the kitaco and taky faster then the TB kits??? wat HP for taky 88 "S" stage kit??? ...STOCK HEAD... wat HP for TB 88 kit??? ...STOCK HEAD... wat HP kitaco 88 kit??? ...STOCK HEAD... and is the TB race head kit much faster then all the 88 stock head kits i said above??? Whats the HP on a TB 88 race head kit approximatly??? also whats the difference between the kitaco light bore kit and just the kitaco bore kit??? both 88's??? ino the kitaco and taky will be better quality and probly more reliable then the TB but im not after the best racing machine i just want somthing to get my 240 pound ass around on.im in more after whats better value for money$$$ i dont wanna spend anymore then the kitaco and taky 88 limited ktis are worth so i could get the TB race head kit for the money but is it better to get the taky or kitaco??? thank you again

10-07-2008, 05:02 AM	#2 (permalink)
firepower354 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Flint MI Posts: 6,266	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? All the stock head kits are 4-5hp, maybe 6 with an FMF and TB carb, cam. The stock head sucks, and it doesn't matter what jug is propping it up. TB88 race head is 8hp-ish, with carb, pipe, etc. This will be faster than any of the stock head kits. A China 86/107 crank, 107 alloy jug, e22 head would be cheaper, and make more power and way more torque, but we've discussed that... A bolt-in Jialing/GPX 125 will be a much nicer combo for a larger rider. 4 gears, more torque, and tons of build options. Add a domed piston and you'll run from a 3 speed 88 race head with a similar sized lump on the seat.

10-07-2008, 05:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
firepower354 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Flint MI Posts: 6,266	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? Oh, and 88 kits are BS. Watch the case to spigot contact closely, if you go that route. Honda case bores are often not lined up right for an 88 sleeve, and when they get forced on, the whisper thin spigot gets distorted and scuffs the piston skirt. Still will run, but there's extra drag that shouldn't be. Usually the intake/top, where there's less oil flung. I always mock up the topend with no rings and turn the crank by hand. ANY binding needs to be addressed. You can hang the engine, topend-down from the peg bar in a vice and scrape the offending area with a utility knife, if you don't wanna bore the cases. Even the overhanging center gasket can cause a bind.

10-07-2008, 05:13 AM	#4 (permalink)
MoTo_XXX 1st Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 214	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? yeh firepower ino and thanks for all the help threw PM a week or so ago but i bought a honda for the engine and because there so fun.so im just gunna lightly mod the crf engine all ill be doing is riding my backyrad track and maybe with a few races with mates but all this is just for fun... so i think i might just go with a 88 stock head kit for now. but atleast firepower can tell me what i want to know as the other threads ive made people just talk **** in so thanks heaps firepower.

10-07-2008, 05:17 AM	#5 (permalink)
MoTo_XXX 1st Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 214	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? also ive got a keihn PC18 to go on the stock head kit if i get it and a uni filter and ill get a pipe soon after so ill have the bore kit kitaco,taky,TB whatever i decide to go with PC18 carb hi vol oil pump pipe cam TB billet clutch kit so with that that should be a ok setup shouldnt it???and probly get the 6hp yeh???

10-07-2008, 05:18 AM	#6 (permalink)
firepower354 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Flint MI Posts: 6,266	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? No sweat. You can add a better head and matching piston later, if you wanna upgrade. Ok, WHEN you wanna upgrade New e22's are $75 or so, and add a $50 piston, $10 gaskets, you'll be up 30-50% in power. That poor little bike will be a lot faster if you lay off the deep-fried Wallaby and Fosters

10-07-2008, 05:20 AM	#7 (permalink)
firepower354 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Flint MI Posts: 6,266	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? 6hp isn't out of the question. Watch the piston to head clearance, and shoot for no more than .75mm to get all the squeeze you can. The TB piston is domed a tiny bit, and helps, plus the kit's cheaper.

10-07-2008, 05:21 AM	#8 (permalink)
MoTo_XXX 1st Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 214	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? haha yeh ino ive lost a few pound lately haha im like 98kg's which is like 240lbs i guess haha but yeh i can upgrade later on so im not to worried.

10-07-2008, 10:07 AM	#9 (permalink)
BlackBeard "ZBBT" Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: 50 riders Posts: 1,772	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? i would stay with TB for there complete race head 88 kits, if you solely want an 88 bore go to DrATV OPERATES HERE and pick up the complete kit for 99 dollars. his parts are good and all the 88 kits will last just as long

10-07-2008, 07:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
MoTo_XXX 1st Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 214	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? ok thanks for the help guys

10-07-2008, 08:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
MoTo_XXX 1st Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 214	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? i might just buy the TB race head kit an dthen just run the jug and stock head and see how i like it then if that isnt what i want ill chuck the RH on...??? the piston it comes with will work with a stock head wont it ???or do i need a new one???

10-07-2008, 08:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
firepower354 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Flint MI Posts: 6,266	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? Nope. Piston for the race head is domed, and won't clear the 50 head.

10-07-2008, 08:07 PM	#13 (permalink)
MoTo_XXX 1st Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 214	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? well ill just buy a piston for the stock head aswell and run the stock head and see what its like then ill know if its what i want and is its not i can put the head on no dramas??? i realy dont want alot of power this is just a backyard racer to have fun on not racing mini moto or anything

10-07-2008, 08:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
firepower354 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Flint MI Posts: 6,266	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? Yeah, you can swap the rac-ier head and matching piston later. The 50 head piston would suck if used with a better head, no compression.

10-07-2008, 08:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
MoTo_XXX 1st Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 214	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? yeh thanks once again firepower you RE the man haha

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10-07-2008, 08:33 PM	#16 (permalink)
firepower354 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Flint MI Posts: 6,266	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? Or re-re, maybe...

10-07-2008, 08:50 PM	#17 (permalink)
MoTo_XXX 1st Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 214	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? lol meant to say YOUR the man.

10-07-2008, 09:33 PM	#18 (permalink)
BlackBeard "ZBBT" Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: 50 riders Posts: 1,772	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? i would reccomend the dratv kit i mentioned and just run it, once you want more power save up and get the full tb race head kit

10-07-2008, 10:08 PM	#19 (permalink)
MoTo_XXX 1st Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 214	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? ive got enough for the race head kit now but i dont want a fast bike i want a fun bike for my track so im just gunna run a 88 linited kit to see how i like it

10-08-2008, 04:15 PM	#20 (permalink)
CMS92 1st Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dryden,Mi. Posts: 211	Re: taky vs TB 88 kit??? If you go with a Takegawa or Kitaco Bore up kit without the head it's almost a waste because your spending $200-$250 and with the TB race head kit your spending about $360.I wasn't very happy with the stock head option i took and ended up spending alot more to get the kit i should have in the first place.The bore up with a better cam and bigger carb and pipe only gave me 5.5hp and everyone kicked my a**,i could'nt even keep up with them.