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stunt-ur

Well, I need some custom graphics made for a KLX110 with a CRF50 front fender.

My business was turned down due to blood and a half naked woman (which was a drawing, and didn't have anything showing) by JJW. He said he doesn't enjoy designing things like that, and said he wouldn't do my work. I will not be going to him anymore.

SOOO, I now need a graphics company that isn't 11 and can deal with blood and a drawing of a partial nude woman. The entire theme of the bike is "blood". So yes, the graphics will be bloody, but no one getting killed, shot, stabbed, anything of that nature. There will be no harmful images in the graphics. Just zombies and blood, and a lot of it.

If it is too much for you, and you don't want to design them. Then if you want to give me the template in photoshop format, I will get my tattoo artist to design the graphics and send you back the template with the finished design on them; for you to simply print and ship out.

Who wants my business?

Ryan1126

Try willtopete.com, he made me mine and they look ****in awsome.

JJW Designs

Thanks for the professionalism.

Try XGX*Racing Has New Designs!

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Graphic designer by trade, rider by heart.

stunt-ur

I sent willtopete an email. Thanks man, he has done some sweet graphics from the looks of his photo gallery

Pimpindahoes

yea Wills your man for graphic work.........

stunt-ur

Yeah that's what it seems. He has designed some sweet stuff. He has an imaginative mind.

Hopefully he will do them, and he can have a customer now and in the future. I still have a couple more bikes i need graphics for.

It's sad that some people can't suck up a little blood and partial nude woman to have business now and in the future. I was actually told "Dude, we crank out $1K a day, I don't need the extra $150 if it means I have to design something I have a distaste for." -JJW

Glad my $150 means nothing. I am done with doing business with JJW. A paying customer is a paying customer. No matter how big or small the job, or what type of job, sometimes you have to do things you don't like doing. That is part of life. In my job or anyone else's, you have to do things you don't enjoy doing. Business is business, and money is money.

JJW Designs

Once again, thanks for the professionalism. You asked me to design something I did not like, and insisted I needed to do it. If you want to air out the entire thing, be my guest. You were rude to me, insulted me, told me my product was sub-par and told me I just need to suck it up and do what you want.

I do not need money if it means designing something I do not like. If you want to air the whole thing out, would you like I posted everything you told me?

I was polite with you and even gave you the web address to one of my rival companies, who could handle this job for you. And yet you insist on tarnishing my reputation as much as you can.

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Graphic designer by trade, rider by heart.

mitchcroghan952

magiksc

stunt-ur

No need to. I'll be MORE than happy to post what I posted Justin. No shame in what I said
(please read from the bottom up):





Actually as the owner, I come first. I do not take on any jobs I am uncomfortable with, PERIOD. And you have to understand this. Now, I suggest you take your business elsewhere and in the future understand I do not wish to design jobs such as this and will not entertain any offer, begging, ranting, preaching or babble on why I should or how I should conduct my business.

I do not "blacklist" anyone unless they steal from me, and I'd be glad to do business with you in the future if you wish. Be please note that I do not appreciate insulting banter and in the future will not entertain it to this point.

G'day.






Justin



----- Original Message -----
From: stunt-ur
To: justin at jjw designs
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: klx110 graphics

I understand everything you are saying.

What you should know, owning your own company, is that the customer comes first.

I install car audio all day long. I get cars that I really don't want to work on.

I received a car for a 4 channel amp install with speakers. My co-worker looked through the glove compartment and saw the man had a letter from "Ben Taub Hospital" that listed his diagnoses. Two of which listed "HIV" and "scabbing in genital area". I had to work on this young man's car on 3 DIFFERENT OCCASIONS! Did I want to? Not at all. I felt extremely uncomfortable working on the vehicle. I put on gloves, and worked on his car 3 different times. Each time more and more uncomfortable.

I have worked in several DISGUSTING vehicles, that smell absolutely terrible! I have worked in vehicles where I have found everything from cocaine, to pistols, to dildos in the vehicle. Absolutely disgusting, but I still do the business.

But owning your own business, you have to sit back and look and say, now is it better to keep this gentleman's business and get word of mouth advertisement from a customer that has already done business with me before? Or is it better to turn down the business, and take away a returning customer, and a future customer; and have a bad word of mouth advertisement?

There was a survey done that said for every good customer, on average, he tells 3 people about his good experience. For every bad customer, on average, he tells 7 people about his bad experience. So look at the situation now.

You said my $150 dollars to you is nothing.

Here is the math breakdown:
Good customer: $150 from the customer, plus $450 total potential from 3 other people due to the word of mouth about this good experience.

Bad customer: -$150 potential from the customer, minus an additional $1,050 potential from 7 other people due to the bad word of mouth. Coming out to $1,200 that could be made.

But due to the turning down of the business, you no longer have that customer, or the people that could have followed him to you as well. So instead of thinking "oh I don't need your $150, I make $1k a day." now look at the situation you have created for yourself.

You have a nice day.

-Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: JJW Designs
To: stunt-ur
Sent: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: klx110 graphics

Dude.... chill off.

First off, "Christian" is thrown around loosely here. I have my faith, and my personal convictions, and I decided when I started this business 6 years ago, to not take on certain kinds of work. End of story, you are not going to make me feel differently and I am not going to enter into a religious debate with you over a set of graphics.

Secondly, this is not a personal attack on you. You could be the pope for all I care, I am not going to design the graphics. I could care less who you are, what you've done, or where you're going. I will not design, what I do not like designing.

Thirdly... sit back and look at this for a second. I am a designer, I have limitations, is that not understandable? Why can you not respect me for that? Do you think if you called up Decal Works they'd make these for you? Every designer has some form of limitations, and you have to understand this.

And lastly... why do I need to make these? To please you? What about myself, should I make something I don't like just to please someone else? For money perhaps? Dude, we crank out $1K a day, I don't need the extra $150 if it means I have to design something I have a distaste for.


This is simply a job, I do not want to do and I really see no reason to do it. It is in no way, shape, form or manner a dis on you, or anything against you other than the way you've treated me in the past 3 e-mails. Best I can see you have no respect for me or my beliefs and simply want your graphics made. Not exactly the friendlist thing to do.





JJ



----- Original Message -----
From: stunt-ur
To: Justin at JJW designs
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: klx110 graphics

I didn't threaten anyone, or anything. I said you will no longer get business referred to by me. I have told a few people for certain to go to you to get some graphics made.

And I know more about the Christian faith then you ever will, sir. And no where in the Bible does it say that doing things involving blood is a sin. And a drawing of a half naked woman, not a sin either. It wasn't even a real portrait. So don't throw your "religious" beliefs at me because I am of the same faith as you Justin.

You clearly already said you didn't want my business, and now, I really wouldn't go to you due to the fact that you would not put your heart into designing these, and would just blow them off and make a poor design. None of my bikes will ever be set with your graphics again. And I had stickers of your company on my stocker 50. Those as well have already been taken off.

I am not going to bad talk your company unless it is brought up to me about it, or putting me in a pickle. But if someone asks where to get custom graphics made, you can guarantee the letters "JJW" will not be coming out of my mouth. That's all.

-Matt


-----Original Message-----
From: JJW Designs
To: stunt-ur
Sent: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: klx110 graphics

Honestly, your opinion of me, your money and other people's respect is really second to my own personal beliefs. If you are threatening to hurt my reputation because I do not wish to do something that I am not comfortable with.... then I really don't need your business. If you'd like these done, I'd suggest calling XGX as he likes this kind of stuff and I'm sure could give you a fair price.

Take 'er easy.






Justin



From: stunt-ur
To: Justin at JJW designs
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: klx110 graphics

And believe it or not, I am a very Christian guy as well. I have been going to church since before I could walk. Because I like scary movies, and horror, and blood and half naked women doesn't mean anything and doesn't go against the beliefs of the Christian faith if you truly want to get into all of that. And it was a drawing from a friend of mine, therefore, obviously not a true "naked woman".

It just really pissed me off and set me off that you would decline my business with all of the times I have mentioned your company to other people and I have got graphics from you as well. I have a friend that does graphics for $65 flat, designed and everything, but I went to you over him because he takes a little longer.

And I try to come back to you again for more business, and to put your company out there AGAIN! Because you know, as well as any other person on planet minis, that my bikes get TONS of attention, and every single one of my bikes that I have designed have come out awesome, and never go unnoticed. So if you don't want the attention that is on you. Just more advertising for you. There is plenty more graphics companies out there that would LOVE my business.

And sorry, but if you are going to decline my business here, then I won't support your company any longer, because honestly, I have seen much better graphics. The quality of your vinyl is very poor, and there was banning in the printing. And the "shine" off of the vinyl is little to none. But yet I STILL supported your company. But I will go elsewhere with my business, and no longer will be supporting JJW.

Thanks,
Matt


-----Original Message-----
From: JJW Designs
To: stunt-ur
Sent: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:56 am
Subject: Re: klx110 graphics

Don't take it the wrong way, it's nothing against you personally but I do not design things that conflict with my personal beliefs. I'm a Christian guy and don't like the blood, guts and half naked women stuff, so have a hard designing stuff with that. It's not a diss on you man, it's just I don't like designing that kind of stuff. I offered to find you someone else for this job too just to show I'd still help you out.






Justin



----- Original Message -----
From: stunt-ur
To: Justin at JJW designs
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: klx110 graphics

So you don't want my business? Don't bother. I won't come to you anymore, don't worry. And I will make sure not to refer anymore people to you, and I will take your stickers off of my bike now.

Thanks,
Matt


-----Original Message-----
From: JJW Designs
To: stunt-ur
Sent: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: klx110 graphics

I hate to say this dude, but I'll have to pass on this job. Just a bit much for my flavor. If you want though I can pass this info along to some other graphics shops I know. Hunt Graphics, JB Graphics, Will Topete, Signs and Graphics, Maximoff.... they all know me so I could get one of them to hook you up, but I just am not into the blood, guts or women thing. Sorry.

Want me to find someone else?









Justin

----- Original Message -----
From: stunt-ur
To: Justin at JJW designs
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 8:20 PM
Subject: klx110 graphics

Alright. You made the "Chucky" graphics for me if you remember. I have a KLX 110 now, and I need some graphics made. Now I want them to look gross. Real bloody! Haha. I know I give you some odd request, but this is what I have in mind.

I will attach a few pictures, and a quick mock up of what I want it to look like sort of. I will be getting them soon, not exactly sure. But for sure by mid October. I am DEFINITELY getting them though. I will not flake out on you.

This is what my idea is, tell me if its possible or not. I want the background on white with white plastics. The whole theme of the bike is gonna be "blood". Everything will be white/blood red. However these graphics look the best is what I will be going with.

I want the picture of the girl on the shrouds, not the blood behind her though. I want the blood splatter behind her. It looks much better. I got the picture from a buddy of mine, he is a tattoo artist. And he doesn't mind me using it.

Anyways, here is a step by step of how I want it.

On the shrouds/tank graphics:
Have the woman on there. I want her facing the front of the bike on both sides, so just do a flip of the picture for the other side. Do a cut out of the original picture and put just her in there. NOT the blood that is in that picture with her already. But the seperate blood splatter picture. I did a quick mock up of how the picture should look. I didn't perfect it so don't take that and put it on there. I want the black outline around her as it is in the original. In small text in the bottom right corner it has to say "Zombie Tattoo" in some sort of bloody font. Doesn't have to be big at all. I really don't want it to stand out too much. This is just to "please" him for letting me use his sketch.

On the rear number plates:
I want blood splatter all around it. Pretty much the whole outline of it I want blood splatter. I have included a few pictures of "blood splatter" with this email, so choose which would look the best. I was thinking the one that has the blood splatter coming from the top right of the picture. And have that like the top right of the number plate, and the bottom left corner. But you decide what looks best, your the designer lol. I will be racing this bike, so the numbers will need to be very clear. Pick some numbers that will go good with this. I like the slanted numbers that are more bold, similar to "Nascar numbers". See if those will look good. Black "604" number, with outline of "blood red" color around the numbers. To give it some character instead of being really plain black numbers.

On the rear fender:
I want the picture of the "game over" with the pistol in it. I don't think I want the "game over" letters in it though. Just the pistol. Making it come from the seat facing the back of the bike. So the gun should be facing the back of the bike. See if it looks better with the "game over" letters on it, but I doubt it will. But try both ways.

On the front fender:
I am thinking that I am going to use a CRF front fender. If that is possible to make this kit with a CRF style front fender, please let me know and I will do that. If so, then let's do that, and have just blood splatter as if I hit something with the fender and it flew back. Similar to hitting someone with a car and the "smash" of blood on the front. Like an impact and splatter...

On the front number plate:
Same thing as the rear number plates. Just on the front. "604" number.




Is all this possible? And about how much am I looking at? With and without plastic prices please! I want to get an estimate for both.


Thanks man,
Matt

JJW Designs

Please remove my e-mail address NOW.

You may leave the rest, but this is far from polite or professional and I want to know why the sudden hatred?

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Graphic designer by trade, rider by heart.

stunt-ur

You have put your email address on your website, therefore making it public. I simply copy and pasted everything that was said, not editing a thing. You want to threaten me with it? I will be more than happy to post it.

Should watch what you say sir.

JJW Designs

Remove them now or I'll have a moderator do it. It is not a matter of hiding from people, but hiding from bots and spam.

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Graphic designer by trade, rider by heart.

Pimpindahoes

Yup

Ive asked him for a ton of favors and he always comes back with something good. Hes fairly cheap, and knows what he is doing.

stunt-ur

Done.

crf

stunt needs to relax. jeez youre a punk

mitchcroghan952

Not cool stunt-ur. JJW just straight up didn't want to do it, there was no need to banter him. Respect his values and beliefs.
You took it way too far. And posting your whole entire conversation, that's just ridiculous.
JJW does sick work, has fair prices, and is an honest business-man.
Stunt-ur, you're a clown.

stunt-ur

Maybe you missed the part where he threatened to post up our entire conversation if I wanted to air it all out.

So I saved him the trouble, and did what he wanted to do. I don't see anything wrong in posting the truth. That way no one can say oh he said this, and he said that. It is all posted there. Yeah maybe he doesn't want to do them. But for a returning customer, you should suck it up and deal with it.

In ANY and EVERY job you will ever have you have to do tasks you don't like to do. It is part of life.




And I NEVER asked him to come into this thread. He invited his own self in and started the drama.

Twister773

not if he is the boss/owner....being the owner means you can do what you want with the company and have the ability to serve or not serve who you want...i havent had a set made by JJW but i did have a set of pre printeds done...great to deal with and got them done in a rush for a race i was going to...also he didnt threaten to post it from what i read...he said if you wanted to air it all out he would post the conversations...bottom line, it was stupid to post it up on here trying to bash him because i dont think anyone cares, especially because he didnt say no because he doesnt like you but because its against his beliefs...

High Maintenance

Oh my lord stunt ur, you are wacko. What the hell were you doing looking at someones medical records and what the HELL does that have to do with a car?!
WOW
talk about lacking in the ETHICS department.

I'll be the first one to vouch and support any company that wants to turn away any business because they hold that right to "refuse any business at any time at will"

as an auditor/tax accountant, it is my responsibility to evaluate a company/person and a situation to decide if I want to involve my self into a potential bad situation with anyone or any company. If you sign your name on something you have every right to reject any work. If some homo came at me asking for a ridiculous request on his tax return I would give him a hell no peace out don't want your money.

Kudos to JJW for sticking to his business code of ethics.

Good lord have mercy son.

Motoknuckle

JJW handled that well. I don't see anywhere in that e-mail conversation where he disrespected you or acted like you weren't important.

He even offered to find you someone to make the graphics for you!


You need to relax dude.