Planet Minis

cyclerider57 · 09-11-2006, 11:23 AM

Question: Want to know the real reason they released the new 150 this year? It has nothing to do with the pit bike industry as a few think. The 150 will be legal next year for the 85 class. The rule WILL be changed to 150cc four strokes vs 85cc two strokes. Why would they release it this year and make sure the rules are changed for next year? I mean all the other manufactures are still in development and testing stages so why didn't they just continue to test for another year and make sure its perfect.

Answer: Honda made it very clear at the dealer meeting that next model year they will not be producing any two strokes. Yes, I said any. Sorry guys, the two stroke days are not just coming to an end soon, in Honda's eyes, they are finished. If you want a two stroke, you better buy it now.

p3racer · 09-11-2006, 11:38 AM

Very Good Write Up Hope It Sinks Into Some Peoples Heads That Think The Crf150r Is Gonna Be There Next Purchase As A Pitbike

Brent878 · 09-11-2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by p3racer

Very Good Write Up Hope It Sinks Into Some Peoples Heads That Think The Crf150r Is Gonna Be There Next Purchase As A Pitbike

huh? are you saying tha the 150 is a pit bike?

ibmike13 · 09-11-2006, 11:46 AM

i new Honda was not making any more 2 sucks after 2008 but the sooner the better.

OLDSCHOOL · 09-11-2006, 11:59 AM

The Truth behind it is all the factorys have been developing 4-stroke race bikes for the past 2 years to compete in the 85 class. the competition is so fearce and competetive in the Real Mini world such as (Lorretta Lynn and Ponca City) that Honda wants to be the first to release it all the others will follow soon before the next season starts. the same thing happened a few years back when Doug Henry won a 250cc outdoor championship on a 426cc 4-Stroke thats what started the Ball rolling first the 450f killed the 250cc then the 250f killed the 125cc....Now the 150f will kill the 85cc this does not concern the Pit Bike Nation.....

we have already out grown the XR50 backyard Pit Bike Racer by developing the (Kit forms) of Bikes and motor kits like BBR and Vinco and Takegawa Kitaco Daytona ect ect ect the Import bikes only introduce another class bike "Import Class" the Real fun went out with the 88cc kit.....

whats everyone concerened about the Honda 150f this affects the real world not the Fun of the Pit Bike Nation so stop getting your panties in a bunch.....

sweetjeep · 09-11-2006, 12:04 PM

Let's be honest, Honda gave up on 2 strokes in 2002/3. Likely earlier.

jhedges · 09-11-2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OLDSCHOOL

The Truth behind it is all the factorys have been developing 4-stroke race bikes for the past 2 years to compete in the 85 class. the competition is so fearce and competetive in the Real Mini world such as (Lorretta Lynn and Ponca City) that Honda wants to be the first to release it all the others will follow soon before the next season starts. the same thing happened a few years back when Doug Henry won a 250cc outdoor championship on a 426cc 4-Stroke thats what started the Ball rolling first the 450f killed the 250cc then the 250f killed the 125cc....Now the 150f will kill the 85cc this does not concern the Pit Bike Nation.....

we have already out grown the XR50 backyard Pit Bike Racer by developing the (Kit forms) of Bikes and motor kits like BBR and Vinco and Takegawa Kitaco Daytona ect ect ect the Import bikes only introduce another class bike "Import Class" the Real fun went out with the 88cc kit.....

whats everyone concerened about the Honda 150f this affects the real world not the Fun of the Pit Bike Nation so stop getting your panties in a bunch.....

So true and I agree with everything you said.

p3racer · 09-11-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent878

huh? are you saying tha the 150 is a pit bike?

DIDNT YOU READ THE FIRST POST

MINITHUMPER · 09-11-2006, 12:20 PM

the truth is honda 2-smokes blew anyways. there were horrible bikes, not just the bike, it was mainly the engines in them. the mid 90's honda bikes though were good, and were verynice. and yes, i would know, i have the bikes to compare them too.

mdkuder · 09-11-2006, 12:26 PM

It's obvious some people aren't getting the message about the water cooled and open cradle frame issues as far as pit bikes go.

p3racer · 09-11-2006, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mdkuder

It's obvious some people aren't getting the message about the water cooled and open cradle frame issues as far as pit bikes go.

i hear ya man if the crf150r is a pitbike then why werent cr85's and kx85's and so forth ever though of as a pitbike it cant be because they had a 2 stroke engine can it

Brent878 · 09-11-2006, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by p3racer

DIDNT YOU READ THE FIRST POST

I read the first post, understood it. Then I read your post about 20 times and still don't know what it says.

kezajones · 09-11-2006, 12:56 PM

this topic was rasied on ktmtalk and apparantly ktm has two strokes in its sales plan for 2011 so ktm must be keeping them alive.

njriderac · 09-11-2006, 01:03 PM

word.

crf150r is no pitbike, my classes here for the 150cc pitbike class are AIR COOLED 2valve motors only...

Do people really think the 150r is for pitbike purposes? Its to get young MX racers/riders with rich daddy's to get their kids on Hondas, and stay on hondas...

Conway · 09-11-2006, 01:10 PM

Knowing someone who is on the ama congress, he tells me they don't have any plans to make the bike legal i nthe 85cc class.

OLDSCHOOL · 09-11-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Conway

Knowing someone who is on the ama congress, he tells me they don't have any plans to make the bike legal i nthe 85cc class.

I bet you they will approve it...It also opens up what can be done to a 2-stroke for motor mods allowed in that class like stroker and Big Bore Kits....He He He!

cyclerider57 · 09-11-2006, 01:52 PM

Honda has more pull in the ama rules then the ama does. It will be approved.

Conway · 09-11-2006, 01:54 PM

We'll find out very soon. The fair cc rule will also pass this year.

MX50 · 09-11-2006, 02:07 PM

They'll aprove it, it's the same thing as 125 two strokes racing in the same class as the 250 four strokes. And of course the 4strokes will dominate.

fifty_tony · 09-11-2006, 02:12 PM

I'm old and there has been talk of no more two strokes for over thirty years.I have worked on bikes for over thirty years.All I can say is thank the epa no more two strokes.Not yamaha or honda if they can't sell it here why make it.What will we do when all dirt bikes are outlawed.I have watch all the riding places go bye bye next the bikes.You will only be able to ride at the track that's it.In calif. you cant even ride in you bark yard.I miss the two strokes they were ez to work on just changing the oil on a four stroke is a big pain.

09-11-2006, 11:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
cyclerider57 No Longer Helps Others Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kansas Posts: 4,417	2 smokes no more Question: Want to know the real reason they released the new 150 this year? It has nothing to do with the pit bike industry as a few think. The 150 will be legal next year for the 85 class. The rule WILL be changed to 150cc four strokes vs 85cc two strokes. Why would they release it this year and make sure the rules are changed for next year? I mean all the other manufactures are still in development and testing stages so why didn't they just continue to test for another year and make sure its perfect. Answer: Honda made it very clear at the dealer meeting that next model year they will not be producing any two strokes. Yes, I said any. Sorry guys, the two stroke days are not just coming to an end soon, in Honda's eyes, they are finished. If you want a two stroke, you better buy it now. __________________ The wise understand by themselves; fools follow the reports of others. Goodness speaks in a whisper, evil shouts. -Tibetan Proverb Last edited by cyclerider57; 09-11-2006 at 11:36 AM.

09-11-2006, 01:52 PM	#17 (permalink)
cyclerider57 No Longer Helps Others Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kansas Posts: 4,417	Honda has more pull in the ama rules then the ama does. It will be approved. __________________ The wise understand by themselves; fools follow the reports of others. Goodness speaks in a whisper, evil shouts. -Tibetan Proverb

09-11-2006, 11:38 AM	#2 (permalink)
p3racer Founding Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 5,852 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Very Good Write Up Hope It Sinks Into Some Peoples Heads That Think The Crf150r Is Gonna Be There Next Purchase As A Pitbike

09-11-2006, 11:46 AM	#4 (permalink)
ibmike13 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Romulus,Michigan Posts: 4,391	i new Honda was not making any more 2 sucks after 2008 but the sooner the better.

09-11-2006, 11:59 AM	#5 (permalink)
OLDSCHOOL 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Cape Cod Ma. 02660 Posts: 7,484 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	The Truth behind it is all the factorys have been developing 4-stroke race bikes for the past 2 years to compete in the 85 class. the competition is so fearce and competetive in the Real Mini world such as (Lorretta Lynn and Ponca City) that Honda wants to be the first to release it all the others will follow soon before the next season starts. the same thing happened a few years back when Doug Henry won a 250cc outdoor championship on a 426cc 4-Stroke thats what started the Ball rolling first the 450f killed the 250cc then the 250f killed the 125cc....Now the 150f will kill the 85cc this does not concern the Pit Bike Nation..... we have already out grown the XR50 backyard Pit Bike Racer by developing the (Kit forms) of Bikes and motor kits like BBR and Vinco and Takegawa Kitaco Daytona ect ect ect the Import bikes only introduce another class bike "Import Class" the Real fun went out with the 88cc kit..... whats everyone concerened about the Honda 150f this affects the real world not the Fun of the Pit Bike Nation so stop getting your panties in a bunch.....

09-11-2006, 12:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
sweetjeep 2nd Gear Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 731	Let's be honest, Honda gave up on 2 strokes in 2002/3. Likely earlier.

09-11-2006, 12:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
MINITHUMPER 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: severna park maryland Posts: 419	the truth is honda 2-smokes blew anyways. there were horrible bikes, not just the bike, it was mainly the engines in them. the mid 90's honda bikes though were good, and were verynice. and yes, i would know, i have the bikes to compare them too.

09-11-2006, 12:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
mdkuder 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: South of heaven, OK Posts: 1,459	It's obvious some people aren't getting the message about the water cooled and open cradle frame issues as far as pit bikes go.

09-11-2006, 12:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
kezajones 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 248	this topic was rasied on ktmtalk and apparantly ktm has two strokes in its sales plan for 2011 so ktm must be keeping them alive.

09-11-2006, 01:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
njriderac PM Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 18	word. crf150r is no pitbike, my classes here for the 150cc pitbike class are AIR COOLED 2valve motors only... Do people really think the 150r is for pitbike purposes? Its to get young MX racers/riders with rich daddy's to get their kids on Hondas, and stay on hondas...

09-11-2006, 01:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
Conway 1st Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 214	Knowing someone who is on the ama congress, he tells me they don't have any plans to make the bike legal i nthe 85cc class.

09-11-2006, 01:54 PM	#18 (permalink)
Conway 1st Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 214	We'll find out very soon. The fair cc rule will also pass this year.

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09-11-2006, 02:07 PM	#19 (permalink)
MX50 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Stockton,Ca Posts: 297	They'll aprove it, it's the same thing as 125 two strokes racing in the same class as the 250 four strokes. And of course the 4strokes will dominate.

09-11-2006, 02:12 PM	#20 (permalink)
fifty_tony 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 367	I'm old and there has been talk of no more two strokes for over thirty years.I have worked on bikes for over thirty years.All I can say is thank the epa no more two strokes.Not yamaha or honda if they can't sell it here why make it.What will we do when all dirt bikes are outlawed.I have watch all the riding places go bye bye next the bikes.You will only be able to ride at the track that's it.In calif. you cant even ride in you bark yard.I miss the two strokes they were ez to work on just changing the oil on a four stroke is a big pain.