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evilempire · 02-14-2008, 04:30 PM

Hi Folks

The Evil family has decided to promote the Evil Empire race series for 2008 season.
I spoke with the 106 Racepark track owner today and they are excited to have us back again. (they even offered to plow the snow off the track)
We'll need a couple of weeks to work out the schedule with the other track users. They are continuing plans for more track and facility improvements.

We are planning to run Mini-Motards, Pocketbikes and Scooters. We'll try to include all ages and types of riders as we did last year.

As soon as we know the scheduling we'll post it. Your help to recruit more riders would be greatly appreciated.

Looking forward to another fun season of racing.

Kurlon · 02-14-2008, 05:49 PM

Schwank! Last year rocked, if we can get more people this year it'll be a killer series!

JohnnyB · 02-14-2008, 08:15 PM

SWEEEEEET !!!!

Are ya gonna have diff cc size classes this year ?

And are ya gonna put a dirt section like you spoke of last year ?

Marko3 · 02-15-2008, 06:02 AM

Great News!!

Long winter.If you have not been to this track come out.Huge bang for your buck.

Evil if you need any help on race day I can give you guys a hand.I wont be riding this year.But Joey is and May wants to if Joey and Evan promise not to take her out.

evilempire · 02-15-2008, 07:53 PM

Hi Mark - We will take all the help we can get - Thanks
We'll have a youth group that will exclude the ruffians.

JohnnyB - we can have multiple cc classes as long as I have more volunteers to score all the different classes. So with all the different engine sizes, what cc classes would you propose?

JohnnyB · 02-15-2008, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilempire

JohnnyB - we can have multiple cc classes as long as I have more volunteers to score all the different classes. So with all the different engine sizes, what cc classes would you propose?

I don't want to make any more work for the people involved than there has to be !

Think'n about what I asked about before , I guess the first thing to consider is what size motors are people run'n ? If everybody is run'n big bores ? Then forget I ever said anything .

If there is enough small bore bikes , then maybe add one or 2 small bore classes depending on what shows up ???

Idk ..., just a thought ...

Thanx for your time !!

Kurlon · 02-16-2008, 06:27 AM

Seemed like the stroker motors for the most part we'll all right with each other, so maybe go 107 and up?

evilempire · 02-16-2008, 04:40 PM

So what does someone with a stock KLX110 do?

Kurlon · 02-16-2008, 04:54 PM

At 7hp, with the same stroke as a Lifan 107 or TB 108, I'd put them in the 107 and up class. They may not have the same top end as a 108, but they'll pull out of the hole and hang with 107s, which is where the real challenge is at 106 so I think that'd be fair.

Trying to tier based on the back straight is going to be much more of a challange, as the bikes get a chance to really spool up, so it becomes a HP game, at which point displacement doesn't become a good baseline stat with all the different kits out there and how they vary in build level.

evilempire · 02-16-2008, 06:40 PM

What about a fat old guy on a 108 with stock head and stock exhaust? lol

Kurlon · 02-16-2008, 06:50 PM

Hah, Depends still won't commit to sponsoring the 'Antiques' class.

JohnnyB · 02-16-2008, 07:06 PM

So ..., as of right now . Is there a limit on cc's in any of the classes that run ?

Marko3 · 02-16-2008, 07:26 PM

How about Class A

Up to 125 any pipe any air filter stock carb (No Takagawa Heads or Similar)

Class B

Open class bikes anything goes

Class C

Junior

JohnnyB · 02-16-2008, 08:03 PM

I proposed a size limit similar to what the Master Of Minis runs at their events before , but I don't know really how many small bore bikes show up on a given day soo ..., maybe it would be a waste cause only a couple of us would run it .

I know I sound like a PITA about this stuff , but truth be told ... Unfortunately I don't run all the events because of my work schedule

. As for the ones I do I run ..., I feel like I'm bring'n a knife to a gun fight .

Maybe others feel the same way and don't show up because they feel the same way ??? IDK ???

So I guess if there isn't gonna be a cc limit in any of the classes this year , looks like I'm gonna have ta build me up a 178 +R ...

Kurlon · 02-16-2008, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

So I guess if there isn't gonna be a cc limit in any of the classes this year , looks like I'm gonna have ta build me up a 178 +R ...

Go big or go home... I'll be packing a 320cc Kitaco Unicam 4v short stroke VTwin with a 6 speed.

More seriously... I'm ok with whatever classing is setup, I won't be able to run the full series due to picking up LRRS this year, and the Mini National, so I really have no right to push for any classing scheme. I've got a few different motor and bike options, so I can find something competitive for just about anything other than 'stock' classes.

Maybe standardize on the MoM classes, or SEMRA, or the National's?

MoM Classes:
2007 TransWorld Masters of Mini Frequently Asked Questions – Motocross News, Race Reports, Videos, Photos, Interviews, How-Tos
'Poor Boy' - 49cc, up to a 10" rear wheel
Modified - 50cc to 89cc, up to a 10" rear wheel
Limited - 90cc to 110cc, up to a 12" rear wheel
10/12 Open - 111cc or more, up to a 12" rear wheel

SEMRA Classes:
SEMRA 2008 Classes**** Sponsored by:* Foothills Motorsports
F1 - 100cc, up to 12" rear wheel
F2 - 125cc
Thumper 136 - 136cc
Thumper 150 - 150cc
GP '85' - 175cc
Supermoto - 525cc

Mini National Classes:
M&M Racing Press Release 1
F1 - 100cc manual, 111cc auto
F2 - 136cc
F3 - 151cc
F4 - 176cc
Sumo Unlimited - 625cc

FastMC · 02-16-2008, 08:24 PM

Having a few simple classes like last year seemed to work ok. Unless your'e getting a ton of entries every weekend why complicate it with engine size, wheel size etc. That will just make Craigs job harder, more scoring, more trophies needed and probably less track time for everyone. If you want to add a class add a bone stock class, ONLY if there is enough interest and enough riders have stockers they want to run. .02

evilempire · 02-18-2008, 11:16 AM

Proposal for 2008 Evil Empire classes

MadMax Unlimited Class
• Horizontal 4 stroke motor with unlimited displacement that runs on pump gas.
Open class for those folks that are:
• Runnin’ what you Brung
• Wanting to challenge themselves against that person who has that built up engine and proving it’s not the hardware that goes fast.
• Bangin for bragging rights
• Photo opportunities

*** No RACE gas will be allowed ***

110 Limited Class
• Horizontal engines of 110cc displacement or less that runs on pump gas
Restricted class for those folks that are:
• Looking to run against the rider and not the motor
• Want to race more and build less
• Looking for a level playing field

*** No RACE gas will be allowed ***

Sportsman Class
• Any Horizontal engine
Class for those folks that are:
• New to the sport.
• Out to enjoy the ride.
• Wanting to improve their skills.
• Old enough to know they have to go to work Monday.

Pocketbike Class
Class for folks that like to fold themselves up into a little package before racing
• Any rigid frame Pocket Bike.
• If liquid cooled they must be running water only and have catch cans.

Scooter Class
Class for folks that like a bit of comfort when racing
• Any step through Scooter design.
• 50cc

Youth Class - non competitive
Class for young folks just starting in riding and racing
• Any minibike appropriate for the rider
• Adults can do on track “follow the leader” sessions with their young riders

Classes by design
We’ll be happy to discuss any other class based racing. You define it and have at least 4 entrants in that class. So if you have 3 other friends that all have the same bike (maybe mopeds) and you want to race them give us a call.

evilempire · 02-18-2008, 11:16 AM

New Race Format proposal

Race format

Madmax Unlimited
110 Limited
Pocketbike

3 Qualifier races
Qualifier race winners will have opportunity to grid on front row for Main Feature.
Winning all 3 Qualifiers in a class you get a cash bonus but you grid in the back of the Main Feature.

Main Feature race
Cash purse to top 3 podium finishers.

Sportsman
Scooter

2 Main Feature races – Prizes to top 3 podium finishers

Youth
2 On Track sessions – Certificates to all New Riders

Kurlon · 02-18-2008, 11:41 AM

Looks good to me. Last year people were allowed to run all three classes, given I've got a 110cc motor that really should be in Mad Max only, would I be allowed in the three GP classes, or is entry in Mad Max going to block entry to the less insane classes? (I personally think it should based on last year, I liked the ride time but I even found myself having a hard time toning it down for sportsman at times.)

evilempire · 02-18-2008, 11:51 AM

Thanks for looking it over. You can pay your entry fee for each class and race. Anyone running successfully in either Madmax Unlimited or 110 Limited will probably be excluded from Sportsman to give those folks some track time with like riders. So you with your 110cc bike can run both 110 Limited and MadMax Unlimited. The only difference in these races will be the engine size limit. That will give you 8 races in one day plus practice.

02-14-2008, 04:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
evilempire 1st Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 155	Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH Hi Folks The Evil family has decided to promote the Evil Empire race series for 2008 season. I spoke with the 106 Racepark track owner today and they are excited to have us back again. (they even offered to plow the snow off the track) We'll need a couple of weeks to work out the schedule with the other track users. They are continuing plans for more track and facility improvements. We are planning to run Mini-Motards, Pocketbikes and Scooters. We'll try to include all ages and types of riders as we did last year. As soon as we know the scheduling we'll post it. Your help to recruit more riders would be greatly appreciated. Looking forward to another fun season of racing.

02-14-2008, 05:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kurlon Baron Von BanHammer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Windham, ME Posts: 7,865	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH Schwank! Last year rocked, if we can get more people this year it'll be a killer series! __________________ http://www.x386.net/TTR 2004 ST3 - 'Duckie'?!?! 2005 CRF70RR - MiniGP Weapon 2005 CRF70 - Dirt Donk 2008 Pitster Pro X4 Motard 1991 GS500E - LRRS/CCS #771

02-14-2008, 08:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
JohnnyB 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Connecticut .. Where big bikes are for kids . :) Posts: 3,923	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH SWEEEEEET !!!! Are ya gonna have diff cc size classes this year ? And are ya gonna put a dirt section like you spoke of last year ?

02-15-2008, 06:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
Marko3 PM Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 86	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH Great News!! Long winter.If you have not been to this track come out.Huge bang for your buck. Evil if you need any help on race day I can give you guys a hand.I wont be riding this year.But Joey is and May wants to if Joey and Evan promise not to take her out.

02-15-2008, 07:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
evilempire 1st Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 155	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH Hi Mark - We will take all the help we can get - Thanks We'll have a youth group that will exclude the ruffians. JohnnyB - we can have multiple cc classes as long as I have more volunteers to score all the different classes. So with all the different engine sizes, what cc classes would you propose?

02-16-2008, 06:27 AM	#7 (permalink)
Kurlon Baron Von BanHammer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Windham, ME Posts: 7,865	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH Seemed like the stroker motors for the most part we'll all right with each other, so maybe go 107 and up? __________________ http://www.x386.net/TTR 2004 ST3 - 'Duckie'?!?! 2005 CRF70RR - MiniGP Weapon 2005 CRF70 - Dirt Donk 2008 Pitster Pro X4 Motard 1991 GS500E - LRRS/CCS #771

02-16-2008, 04:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
evilempire 1st Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 155	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH So what does someone with a stock KLX110 do?

02-16-2008, 04:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
Kurlon Baron Von BanHammer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Windham, ME Posts: 7,865	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH At 7hp, with the same stroke as a Lifan 107 or TB 108, I'd put them in the 107 and up class. They may not have the same top end as a 108, but they'll pull out of the hole and hang with 107s, which is where the real challenge is at 106 so I think that'd be fair. Trying to tier based on the back straight is going to be much more of a challange, as the bikes get a chance to really spool up, so it becomes a HP game, at which point displacement doesn't become a good baseline stat with all the different kits out there and how they vary in build level. __________________ http://www.x386.net/TTR 2004 ST3 - 'Duckie'?!?! 2005 CRF70RR - MiniGP Weapon 2005 CRF70 - Dirt Donk 2008 Pitster Pro X4 Motard 1991 GS500E - LRRS/CCS #771

02-16-2008, 06:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
evilempire 1st Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 155	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH What about a fat old guy on a 108 with stock head and stock exhaust? lol

02-16-2008, 06:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
Kurlon Baron Von BanHammer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Windham, ME Posts: 7,865	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH Hah, Depends still won't commit to sponsoring the 'Antiques' class. __________________ http://www.x386.net/TTR 2004 ST3 - 'Duckie'?!?! 2005 CRF70RR - MiniGP Weapon 2005 CRF70 - Dirt Donk 2008 Pitster Pro X4 Motard 1991 GS500E - LRRS/CCS #771

02-16-2008, 07:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
JohnnyB 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Connecticut .. Where big bikes are for kids . :) Posts: 3,923	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH So ..., as of right now . Is there a limit on cc's in any of the classes that run ?

02-16-2008, 07:26 PM	#13 (permalink)
Marko3 PM Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 86	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH How about Class A Up to 125 any pipe any air filter stock carb (No Takagawa Heads or Similar) Class B Open class bikes anything goes Class C Junior

02-16-2008, 08:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
JohnnyB 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Connecticut .. Where big bikes are for kids . :) Posts: 3,923	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH I proposed a size limit similar to what the Master Of Minis runs at their events before , but I don't know really how many small bore bikes show up on a given day soo ..., maybe it would be a waste cause only a couple of us would run it . I know I sound like a PITA about this stuff , but truth be told ... Unfortunately I don't run all the events because of my work schedule . As for the ones I do I run ..., I feel like I'm bring'n a knife to a gun fight . Maybe others feel the same way and don't show up because they feel the same way ??? IDK ??? So I guess if there isn't gonna be a cc limit in any of the classes this year , looks like I'm gonna have ta build me up a 178 +R ...

02-16-2008, 08:24 PM	#16 (permalink)
FastMC Sporting the Merkin Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: boston area Posts: 4,467 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH Having a few simple classes like last year seemed to work ok. Unless your'e getting a ton of entries every weekend why complicate it with engine size, wheel size etc. That will just make Craigs job harder, more scoring, more trophies needed and probably less track time for everyone. If you want to add a class add a bone stock class, ONLY if there is enough interest and enough riders have stockers they want to run. .02 __________________ The older I get...The faster I was !!!

02-18-2008, 11:16 AM	#17 (permalink)
evilempire 1st Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 155	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH Proposal for 2008 Evil Empire classes MadMax Unlimited Class • Horizontal 4 stroke motor with unlimited displacement that runs on pump gas. Open class for those folks that are: • Runnin’ what you Brung • Wanting to challenge themselves against that person who has that built up engine and proving it’s not the hardware that goes fast. • Bangin for bragging rights • Photo opportunities * No RACE gas will be allowed * 110 Limited Class • Horizontal engines of 110cc displacement or less that runs on pump gas Restricted class for those folks that are: • Looking to run against the rider and not the motor • Want to race more and build less • Looking for a level playing field * No RACE gas will be allowed * Sportsman Class • Any Horizontal engine Class for those folks that are: • New to the sport. • Out to enjoy the ride. • Wanting to improve their skills. • Old enough to know they have to go to work Monday. Pocketbike Class Class for folks that like to fold themselves up into a little package before racing • Any rigid frame Pocket Bike. • If liquid cooled they must be running water only and have catch cans. Scooter Class Class for folks that like a bit of comfort when racing • Any step through Scooter design. • 50cc Youth Class - non competitive Class for young folks just starting in riding and racing • Any minibike appropriate for the rider • Adults can do on track “follow the leader” sessions with their young riders Classes by design We’ll be happy to discuss any other class based racing. You define it and have at least 4 entrants in that class. So if you have 3 other friends that all have the same bike (maybe mopeds) and you want to race them give us a call.

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02-18-2008, 11:16 AM	#18 (permalink)
evilempire 1st Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 155	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH New Race Format proposal Race format Madmax Unlimited 110 Limited Pocketbike 3 Qualifier races Qualifier race winners will have opportunity to grid on front row for Main Feature. Winning all 3 Qualifiers in a class you get a cash bonus but you grid in the back of the Main Feature. Main Feature race Cash purse to top 3 podium finishers. Sportsman Scooter 2 Main Feature races – Prizes to top 3 podium finishers Youth 2 On Track sessions – Certificates to all New Riders

02-18-2008, 11:41 AM	#19 (permalink)
Kurlon Baron Von BanHammer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Windham, ME Posts: 7,865	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH Looks good to me. Last year people were allowed to run all three classes, given I've got a 110cc motor that really should be in Mad Max only, would I be allowed in the three GP classes, or is entry in Mad Max going to block entry to the less insane classes? (I personally think it should based on last year, I liked the ride time but I even found myself having a hard time toning it down for sportsman at times.) __________________ http://www.x386.net/TTR 2004 ST3 - 'Duckie'?!?! 2005 CRF70RR - MiniGP Weapon 2005 CRF70 - Dirt Donk 2008 Pitster Pro X4 Motard 1991 GS500E - LRRS/CCS #771

02-18-2008, 11:51 AM	#20 (permalink)
evilempire 1st Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 155	Re: Evil Empire Series 2008 - 106 Racepark, NH Thanks for looking it over. You can pay your entry fee for each class and race. Anyone running successfully in either Madmax Unlimited or 110 Limited will probably be excluded from Sportsman to give those folks some track time with like riders. So you with your 110cc bike can run both 110 Limited and MadMax Unlimited. The only difference in these races will be the engine size limit. That will give you 8 races in one day plus practice.