Planet Minis

Momo · 08-05-2008, 07:18 AM

I'm already working on this for a while, but I thought if I put it on here, you guys would make sure I keep some speed at working on it.

It started when I found a 200cc liquid cooled lifan engine, the shop told me the engine would drop right into the Ape frame. So after 3 months the engine finally arrived here in Thailand (from Germany), thanks to my boss for putting it in a container for me. Then it took me a while to find an Ape. In the picture you see the bike as I bought it, 50cc.

Of course the engine did not fit

, so I had to bend the front frame tube a bit forward and cut off the lower rear mounts. After making new plates to connect the engine to the front frame mounts, I checked if the sprockets still lined up. Big wonder, but they actually did!

Now I am making new mounts for the rear, but I am afraid I didn't bend the front tube far enough, so it looks like I won't be able to get the engine out once I weld the mounts on...............we'll see.
I am going to use my left-over parts from my KSR. So the swing arm will be a KSR swing arm that I extend about 4". I only had to take off 2mm on each side of the bushings to make the swing arm fit

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On the internet I found pictures on a Japanese website of an Ape with KSR front fork in it. So I thought if a Japanese shop can do it, a Dutch mastermind as me can do it too

! I had to change the shaft in the triple tree, because the Ape uses smaller bearings than the KSR, so I turned a new shaft out of aluminum that is also lighter than the steel stocker and voila, it fits!

The wheels I have left of my KSR will also go on, plus the standar brakes, so it will fit easy. Below some pics.
I will update if I make some progress, good ideas are always welcome.
Also, anybody interested in the rear swing arm complete with wheels, brake etc + front fork with wheel brake etc from an Ape?

boonacka · 08-05-2008, 07:30 AM

nice project! i love the look fo the Honda Apes. What size are the stock wheels? Where did you score the WC Lifan?

keep us updated.

Momo · 08-05-2008, 07:46 AM

Stock wheels are 12" same size as the KSR's, the engine I bought from www.monkey-tuning.com, with a nice discount, I guess nobody bought them. I wanted a air-cooled engine actually, but they didn't have them nomore, I saw tboltusa does have them air-cooled.

boonacka · 08-05-2008, 12:21 PM

how much do you want for the front and rear setup?

Momo · 08-05-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by boonacka

how much do you want for the front and rear setup?

What's a fair price for original Honda parts in good condition? Tonight I'll put up some pics.

X7rocks · 08-05-2008, 09:58 PM

this is pretty cool man
the funny part is these motors can be dropped into a pocketbike frame with no mods at all lol but hey custom seems cooler

SUZUKIRM12594 · 08-05-2008, 10:14 PM

Holy F**K!!! I like the engine

Momo · 08-05-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by X7rocks

this is pretty cool man
the funny part is these motors can be dropped into a pocketbike frame with no mods at all lol but hey custom seems cooler

What pocketbike frame will it fit? Then maybe when I finish this one I can do an easy project

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boonacka · 08-06-2008, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Momo

What's a fair price for original Honda parts in good condition? Tonight I'll put up some pics.

Honestly i dont know. but do you still need them?

Momo · 08-06-2008, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by boonacka

Honestly i dont know. but do you still need them?

No, I'm putting in a KSR usd fork and KSR swing arm. That way I can also use the KSR wheels and disc brakes. I want to sell them to keep my car park clean (or almost clean). Below some pics of them. Front fork has a Kitaco top plate.

Looks like the rear motor mount has to be bolt-on, otherwise the engine is stuck in the frame. Also made an aluminum washer and anodized it to get about 5mm clearance between cilinder head and the tank. Hopefully that will be enough.

X7rocks · 08-06-2008, 08:26 AM

it fits in the x18 with no mods heres some pics for ya

X7rocks · 08-06-2008, 08:27 AM

id like to give this a shot one day aswell

Momo · 08-06-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by X7rocks

it fits in the x18 with no mods heres some pics for ya

That's cool! How big is that bike, are that 10" wheels?
Here in Thailand we don't have a lot of choise in pocketbikes, but maybe I can stuff it in my suitcase!

Momo · 08-11-2008, 11:40 PM

Making a new brace for my swing arm. I made a lot of cuts with the grinder, so it is easy to bend. Now off to the welder to weld it.
The bushings of the KSR swing arm I had to cut down 2mm on each side to make it fit, actually not too bad, I expected more work.
The wheels I got back from the chromer and put back together. Now I need some tires for them.

shw911 · 08-12-2008, 12:00 AM

sweet build. That's some cool fab work on the brace!

Momo · 08-27-2008, 06:04 AM

It has been some time since the last post, but it took me some time to get the brace for the swingarm right. After spending some time on the first brace, I found out it was a bit too small and couldn't be reworked: the chain would rub the brace. So I made a new one, a bit wider and had it welded on.
Also finished my alu 4" extension pieces. These I will glue in and bolt on. That should be strong enough. Made a small stopper for the rear brake and pressed it in.
Tomorrow I'll sand it a bit and try to sand blast it, then it's ready for some paint.
Need to get some tires to get the bike on its wheels and finish all the details.

Momo · 08-31-2008, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by shw911

sweet build. That's some cool fab work on the brace!

Thanks. Here some pics of the finished swingarm installed and the KSR front installed.
I need to get some tires to get it on its wheels.

driezel · 10-20-2008, 12:10 PM

do we get to see the end result ?.

BlackBeard · 10-20-2008, 01:51 PM

nice bike, the only thing troubling me is the fact that your using an aluminum steering stem, will that be strong enough?

Momo · 10-20-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by driezel

do we get to see the end result ?.

Great! People are still looking. I thought nobody checked anymore, so I didn't update (also slacked a lot in the building). I'll post some pics tonight. It's on its wheels, now need to finish the details.

08-05-2008, 07:30 AM	#2 (permalink)
boonacka 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: DC MD VA motard Posts: 664	Re: Honda Ape 200cc Build nice project! i love the look fo the Honda Apes. What size are the stock wheels? Where did you score the WC Lifan? keep us updated.

08-05-2008, 07:46 AM	#3 (permalink)
Momo PM Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Thailand Posts: 92	Re: Honda Ape 200cc Build Stock wheels are 12" same size as the KSR's, the engine I bought from www.monkey-tuning.com, with a nice discount, I guess nobody bought them. I wanted a air-cooled engine actually, but they didn't have them nomore, I saw tboltusa does have them air-cooled.

08-05-2008, 12:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
boonacka 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: DC MD VA motard Posts: 664	Re: Honda Ape 200cc Build how much do you want for the front and rear setup?

08-05-2008, 09:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
X7rocks 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 973	Re: Honda Ape 200cc Build this is pretty cool man the funny part is these motors can be dropped into a pocketbike frame with no mods at all lol but hey custom seems cooler

08-05-2008, 10:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
SUZUKIRM12594 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Glendale California Posts: 2,406	Re: Honda Ape 200cc Build Holy F**K!!! I like the engine

08-06-2008, 08:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
X7rocks 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 973	Re: Honda Ape 200cc Build id like to give this a shot one day aswell

08-12-2008, 12:00 AM	#15 (permalink)
shw911 "Eating Ramen" Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,453	Re: Honda Ape 200cc Build sweet build. That's some cool fab work on the brace!

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driezel PM Newbie Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1	Re: Honda Ape 200cc Build do we get to see the end result ?.

10-20-2008, 01:51 PM	#19 (permalink)
BlackBeard "ZBBT" Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: 50 riders Posts: 1,770	Re: Honda Ape 200cc Build nice bike, the only thing troubling me is the fact that your using an aluminum steering stem, will that be strong enough?

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