Planet Minis

thekid3814

Us here at planet minis should group together and make a set of national rules. that hopefully "most" of promoters can and will follow for races in the future, maybe even get the Mini Moto SX to run the "new" set rules in the 2009 race and maybe others can follow suite. This way there will be set rules from the 50 stock class to the "Pro" level class. I'm not all that good on the whole internet posting but if anyone wants to support this, please feel free to help spread the idea. I know Oldschool and Kurlon are all over this site (some help guys).

scarmack121

i think that a good idea...but i doubt it will work

Blackwatchracing101

There is already a set of rules that is on the web by the PBRA, they must just be tweak a bit more, but they stood up and did it, the word must just get out more, Guy Cooper will be looking at the rules and help get them perfect, go check them out at PBRA, there is qiute a few of us that has join them, our new series in Mo is running by their rules and is sanctioned by them. But there is still alot of people on PM that thinks the AMA will come out with a set of rules, I have spoken with the AMA about it and it is not gonna happen, and then the AMA's sanctioning fees are rediculis, and the PBRA is way cheaper and it don't cost riders any for membership.

scarmack121

those rules suck....booooo

Blackwatchracing101

Sean, now what suck about those rules, you as a rider should be one of the people that step up to the plate and help them fine tune the rules, at least they where willing to step up and put some kind of rules on the table, I know some of the rules is not up to par yet, but it is a start. If I remember right the first rule s that the AMA came out with sucked too, and they still have rules that suck just like most of their organization that is the AMA for you. So PM me and give some input on changes you think they should make.

OLDSCHOOL

Stock 49cc Class (10" wheels only)

Allowables: 39.0 x 41.4 mm bore & stroke, Automatic transmission only, Tall bars, Tall seat, HD Fork and shock springs +1 Legs (Adult friendly)




Limited Class 0-111cc (14/12 Wheel only) Stock Midsized Class (CRF, KLX TTR)

Allowables: Automatic transmission only, Tall bars, Tall seat, HD Fork and shock springs (Adult friendly)


These are the Best/funnest classes out there..Period....

Blackwatchracing101

Thanks Kevin, that is the kind of ideas and help we need, instead of someone just shooting something down, by the way nice talking to you today. Thank for the contacts.
Andre'

killer110

I think there should be a separation of the stock/mod class for 50's and 110's like what OLDSCHOOL said. They should add a fatboy/sumo/tallboy for those people who want to run in more than one class. it seems like you can only run in one class if you show up with one bike unless you're old enough to run in the vet class. Maybe add more age classes too like MoM so riders have more options???

Also, does anyone think there should be cc limitations?

OLDSCHOOL

Yes The 200+lbs FatBoy Class is a great class you need the most cc's you can get to move your fat@ss...

Its a good class and does very well at the Events Ive attended with that class.

Yes some classes need Limits to Make that class challenging. and Needs to be Policed with Penalties or Points loss when caught Cheating.

anyone remember the Own it rule back in the 80's & 90's where a money limit on a bike was set in a certain Class, and if someone came up to you and wanted your bike for like Example $1500.00 Limit you had to sell him the bike.

This would work for the stock 49cc class and a Bit Higher $2000.00 in the Limited Class 0-111cc for the Crf 70, TTR 90 and KLX 110 Class ( Stock Midsize Class)....that will keep the cheating to a low...


You Need a True 0-88cc modified class

All (3) classes Over seen by a Referee

OLDSCHOOL

I also believe that a Pro class offered is just that PRO and Pro classification determained by the Org promoting the event....

Once you Go PRO your That PRO, and the only way to go back to the Amature status is to sit out 1 year or Race Season.

and when the limit is not reached for riders in the Pro class that a Open Class or Unlimited Class is formed

the only way an amature (16yrs) can enter a Money Class is that if its called a Money Open at least a 100% pay back

killer110

^^^the rules on the pbra site don't look too bad. they do have an 88cc class also. one thing i can see people having a beef with is the stock/mod class. I know the Mom series rules just state to stay within the appropriate cc, other than that anything else goes. Others, I know, probably like the pbra rules that pretty much say the only thing you can change is bars, clamps, and springs (no clutch, cam, carb etc.) Personally i like the "anything else goes" motto but it's definitely something to look at

OLDSCHOOL

MoM rules are weak... thats what keeps it fun...to a point

once you offer up Money and Trips the Fun stops there and People take it Very serious

I was explaining to Andre' that the some of the Promoters at the New England tracks think that Pit bikes are a Joke and wont give them a second look....Until a couple of them attended the Final round of the MoM series and were shocked at the 400+ riders

Capeway Rovers (Middleboro Ma) would be approachable now I believe its the Oldest track on the East Coast (All New) and a Perfect National Mini friendly track... I hit the Open Practce there frequently

OLDSCHOOL

Wheel sizes play a big role also

Blackwatchracing101

Ya, we will be looking at some rule changes I have send an email to the right people and things should be updated, the PBRA will also contact the people up in th NE that Oldschool gave me today. Thanks again for the input, I know with all our help the PBRA can get they rule structure good, and just help to gro the sport with all the plans they got.

OLDSCHOOL

The Sport Needs structure on a National Level

Blackwatchracing101

Ya, and that was one of the reasons I called you today, the PBRA knows that and is working on that, they realy want to see it happen and it will be good for us and all the dealers too.

killer110

i agree with you OLDSCHOOL. the MoM rules were taken as a joke. i know a lot of track owners and major promoters in my area haven't given pitbikes a thought until recently with the 2up minis series which (i believe) is piggy backing off the mdra schedule now. people need to start taking pitbike racing seriously and get the track owners/promoters attention like the people at 2Up. just like big bike racing there is money to be made by track owners and promoters, they just don't know it yet! to make it easier for everyone there does need to be a standard set of rules set as a benchmark. with all the people involved with racing on here i think it's very possible to come up with a good set of national rules for everyone to follow.

Blackwatchracing101

Killer that is why me and Oldschool talked tonight, there is a starting point on a set of rules, they just have to be fitted for the way they should be to be perfect, The PBRA's whole idea is to envolve it this year and next year have qualifiers in each region and have a big national event like Lorreta's to crown the champions, and I say again, we all should stand behind them and help them, it could just be good for our sport. Because I would like to one day see a Pit Bike Des Nations enfold.

I am one of those promoters that just got it going in Missouri and getting a lot of good feed back for our 9 race series staring in May 2008. We are going to make it happen with a lot of good support by our sponsors and the PBRA. TV Coverage and all.

61stepdad

I think an AMA type sanctioning body should be leading the rules. The PBRA IMO is made up of a track promoter trying to make some money. (Yes I know it is free now, but it won't be). Just like he did with the NNRA. Just means we have to pay them to race some races also along with the tracks.

They already have a series planned here and you have to be a part of the PBRA to race. I'll stick with the people who still make it fun and not about money.

OLDSCHOOL

The AMA Competition Congress has Been Contacted By The PBRA (the AMA Has recognized Pit Bikes as a Class) this year. But their plan for Rules, Class break Down and Organization has been back burnered It seems their efforts have stalled and MMSX in Vegas is about all they are Involved/Have there hands in....