Planet Minis

mdkuder · 09-11-2006, 02:35 PM

I can't imagine Honda going forward if they didn't have an idea about the rules even if it takes a huge donation (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) or a couple years of pressure from racers. As far as two strokes becoming obsolete I don't think it'll happen for a long long time.

yamasaki179 · 09-11-2006, 02:36 PM

i love it when someone starts off with
im old

JayN · 09-11-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by fifty_tony

I'm old and there has been talk of no more two strokes for over thirty years.I have worked on bikes for over thirty years.All I can say is thank the epa no more two strokes.Not yamaha or honda if they can't sell it here why make it.What will we do when all dirt bikes are outlawed.I have watch all the riding places go bye bye next the bikes.You will only be able to ride at the track that's it.In calif. you cant even ride in you bark yard.I miss the two strokes they were ez to work on just changing the oil on a four stroke is a big pain.

i'm with ya man, i grew up racing the 2 strokes and on the track they can't be beat.
as for easy trail riding and back yard putting, 4 stroke is good.
i definetlyplan on buying a 2 stroke big bike soon. thats the benifit of all these guys thinking the 4 strokes are where it's at. the 2 strokes pop up for pretty cheap now and then.'

Faster-Minis · 09-11-2006, 03:14 PM

My bet is that the rule will be approved. Honda has too much power not to get it approved. They had it in the bag before the bike was developed, otherwise they would not have produced the bike.

Yamahaha · 09-11-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JayN

i'm with ya man, i grew up racing the 2 strokes and on the track they can't be beat.
as for easy trail riding and back yard putting, 4 stroke is good.
i definetlyplan on buying a 2 stroke big bike soon. thats the benifit of all these guys thinking the 4 strokes are where it's at. the 2 strokes pop up for pretty cheap now and then.'

lol two strokes cant be beat? I dont have any evidence to prove that but i deffinately dont agree. All i know is that every time i go riding to the tracks there is maybe 1 two stroker on the track and everyone is riding a 4-strokes, and that two stroker usually is the slowest guy there. I just think people are starting to ride 4-strokes everywhere and there not just thought for trail riding anymore. Even in Supercross, a majority of guys are riding four strokes, and not to mention the Motocross where there isn't one two stroke on the track. I love four strokes and two strokes dont seem to be going anywhere, except in the freestyle area.

But just my opinion

OLDSCHOOL · 09-11-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by paccrest

My bet is that the rule will be approved. Honda has too much power not to get it approved. They had it in the bag before the bike was developed, otherwise they would not have produced the bike.

Its not just Honda who has Power all the Factorys have these bikes comming out Honda just did it first they are all going to bennefit from this in the long run...If you have a 2-stroke and they faze out and you want to buy a new bike to be competetive in your class you will buy a new bike ( 2 or 4 stroke)either way the Manufactors will make out..They got you!!!!

The Bike of Choice in:

Motocross is a 4-stroke
Supercross is a 4-stroke
Gncc race is on average a 2-stroke
Harescrambles is a 2-stroke

There is still a market for 2-strokes but eventually they will faze out... The 65cc will be Next... Im hanging on to My Mint showroom condition 03' Cr250 just cause I like the sound when the power hits the pipe...Brreeeaaaaaaahhhp!

MikeeeP · 09-11-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OLDSCHOOL

The Truth behind it is all the factorys have been developing 4-stroke race bikes for the past 2 years to compete in the 85 class. the competition is so fearce and competetive in the Real Mini world such as (Lorretta Lynn and Ponca City) that Honda wants to be the first to release it all the others will follow soon... before the next season starts.

Actually it's even more than that. The FIM has already stated an oulaw date for 2 strokes in GP racing, and the AMA has also... but they moved their date back.

I think the FIM rule went into affect/effect this year or last year(?).

The AMA has done the same thing - at least in professional competition. I'm not 100% sure about amateur racing.

The other thing - Honda has always stated that they are a "Four Stroke Company" so this is just moving them towards completing that statement.

Remember it was Honda that road raced 2 strokes back in the day with everyone else, and then started switching away and going towards four strokes and developing them despite getting their tails kicked for a few years. They were single minded though and kept developing the four stroke until it was not only competitive, but dominant and the road race series changed and suddenly everyone had to run 4 strokes.

Also regarding the legality of these bikes - the AMA will cave like nothing you have ever seen before. They have absolutely no backbone - they know that they are not needed.

If Honda raises #$%#+&, the AMA will let the 150 race if it's not legal already.

MP

Mx823 · 09-11-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Yamahaha

lol two strokes cant be beat? I dont have any evidence to prove that but i deffinately dont agree. All i know is that every time i go riding to the tracks there is maybe 1 two stroker on the track and everyone is riding a 4-strokes, and that two stroker usually is the slowest guy there. I just think people are starting to ride 4-strokes everywhere and there not just thought for trail riding anymore. Even in Supercross, a majority of guys are riding four strokes, and not to mention the Motocross where there isn't one two stroke on the track. I love four strokes and two strokes dont seem to be going anywhere, except in the freestyle area.

But just my opinion

I have seen PLENTY of riders win on 125's.
Hell, eariler in the year i saw a 15 year old kid own 125A on a kx100 at southwick - a track where power and wheelsize MATTERS.

I have seen riders win on 125's, it just takes more EFFORT. Its not that you cant win on a 2 stroke...because trust me, you can. Its that people dont want to work that hard.

Last year, the fair class rule missed passing by ONE VOTE, and if the AMA has kept their mind thinking like that...the CRF150 will not have a chance.
And, no, Honda does not have a say in what the AMA does. Thats why the AMA was able to pass the 144 rule and allllmooosssttt past the fair class rule, COMPLETELY against what the manufacturers wanted.

redblur · 09-11-2006, 05:35 PM

i miss the two strokes. they are fun, cheap, light and easy to maintain. looks like the 150 is just one more nail in the coffin. four strokes are fast as hell and cool but in my opinionnot much is cooler than the rasp of a piped two stroke.

kane · 09-11-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MINITHUMPER

the truth is honda 2-smokes blew anyways. there were horrible bikes, not just the bike, it was mainly the engines in them. the mid 90's honda bikes though were good, and were verynice. and yes, i would know, i have the bikes to compare them too.

ya it's funny how the older 90's motors where way better than the newer bikes. They really sucked after 97' and got worse. THe electrics gave out on the older bikes though.

mahaffey380 · 09-11-2006, 05:53 PM

The only good thing about 4 strokes is pitbike's; The greatest all around rider in the world still chooses the 2 stroke

lowbike1 · 09-11-2006, 06:06 PM

anything physically bigger than a ct70 isnt a pit bike... thats what I think

sanoman23 · 09-11-2006, 06:35 PM

yay!!! Honda is the d shiz!! They are ahead of everyone!! Bye bye 2 strokes bring on the 4's!

Sanoman23

ibmike13 · 09-11-2006, 07:15 PM

i got some truth about the new crf150 too,1 the saying 2 smokes is funny as hell and 2 this bike is going to be f-cking awesome.

Mxracer6 · 09-11-2006, 09:22 PM

a 4 stroke engine has to be twice the size of the 2 stroke -- to compete -- and a 275cc two stroke will blow away a 450 -- the big problem is the epa -- two strokes are being phased out -- and all of the development $ is going into 4 strokes -- so what did i do this year -- i got a 450 - because the writing is on the wall --

trailpimp33 · 09-11-2006, 10:12 PM

The 2 stroke will be completely gone from big racing by the very near future. Too bad too, all of the skills that you develope from learning to ride a 2 stroke will also disappear. All things that most take for granted like carrying your speed through the corner, learning to time the hit for a rythem section, winning the race because you are the best rider, not because the real best rider could not get a bike restarted after a bobble. The real crime though is the kids that would race but quit because their parents can not afford the maintaince to keep a 4 stroke race bike competitive.

I love all things on 2 wheels, 2 stroke, 4 stroke, pedals, whatever. But the death of the 2 stroke will truely be a very sad day!!!!!!!!

50rider340 · 09-11-2006, 10:41 PM

imo the races will never be the same without two strokes, going to the nationals at southwick a few years ago and hearing the the 125s screaming by sounded alot better might i add showed some true skills in riding, 4 strokes are predicutable 2 strokes arnt and thats what made the races so interesting to watch.

1tizzy06 · 09-12-2006, 12:30 AM

i think it looks like it will be a fun bike and that is really all that matters isnt it? i thought motorcycles were supposed to be fun, but everybody seems to take it all too seriously. evolution is good for the sport.

brupska · 09-21-2006, 03:58 PM

I will miss the two strokes. I grew up around them. My dad used to MX before I was born until I was around 10 y/o. I will miss the smell of Klotz and the sound. The new 4 strokes are still fun to watch race. As for the 150r and e. I can't wait to see one up close. I also can't wait to see what the other companies come out with next year.

ILOAD2 · 09-21-2006, 04:58 PM

I guarantee there will be 150F's on the line at the Mini 4-stroke nationals at Glen Halen....Water cooled be dammed..All those rules will be out the window.

09-11-2006, 03:14 PM	#24 (permalink)
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09-11-2006, 02:35 PM	#21 (permalink)
mdkuder 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Infidel States of America Posts: 1,501	I can't imagine Honda going forward if they didn't have an idea about the rules even if it takes a huge donation (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) or a couple years of pressure from racers. As far as two strokes becoming obsolete I don't think it'll happen for a long long time.

09-11-2006, 02:36 PM	#22 (permalink)
yamasaki179 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 288	i love it when someone starts off with im old

09-11-2006, 05:35 PM	#29 (permalink)
redblur 1st Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 119	i miss the two strokes. they are fun, cheap, light and easy to maintain. looks like the 150 is just one more nail in the coffin. four strokes are fast as hell and cool but in my opinionnot much is cooler than the rasp of a piped two stroke.

09-11-2006, 05:53 PM	#31 (permalink)
mahaffey380 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NORTH CAROLINA Posts: 264	The only good thing about 4 strokes is pitbike's; The greatest all around rider in the world still chooses the 2 stroke

09-11-2006, 06:06 PM	#32 (permalink)
lowbike1 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Maple Ridge BC Canada Posts: 2,061	anything physically bigger than a ct70 isnt a pit bike... thats what I think

09-11-2006, 06:35 PM	#33 (permalink)
sanoman23 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,966	yay!!! Honda is the d shiz!! They are ahead of everyone!! Bye bye 2 strokes bring on the 4's! Sanoman23

09-11-2006, 07:15 PM	#34 (permalink)
ibmike13 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Romulus,Michigan Posts: 4,396	i got some truth about the new crf150 too,1 the saying 2 smokes is funny as hell and 2 this bike is going to be f-cking awesome.

09-11-2006, 09:22 PM	#35 (permalink)
Mxracer6 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 607	a 4 stroke engine has to be twice the size of the 2 stroke -- to compete -- and a 275cc two stroke will blow away a 450 -- the big problem is the epa -- two strokes are being phased out -- and all of the development $ is going into 4 strokes -- so what did i do this year -- i got a 450 - because the writing is on the wall --

09-11-2006, 10:12 PM	#36 (permalink)
trailpimp33 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,656	The 2 stroke will be completely gone from big racing by the very near future. Too bad too, all of the skills that you develope from learning to ride a 2 stroke will also disappear. All things that most take for granted like carrying your speed through the corner, learning to time the hit for a rythem section, winning the race because you are the best rider, not because the real best rider could not get a bike restarted after a bobble. The real crime though is the kids that would race but quit because their parents can not afford the maintaince to keep a 4 stroke race bike competitive. I love all things on 2 wheels, 2 stroke, 4 stroke, pedals, whatever. But the death of the 2 stroke will truely be a very sad day!!!!!!!!

09-11-2006, 10:41 PM	#37 (permalink)
50rider340 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CT Posts: 2,142	imo the races will never be the same without two strokes, going to the nationals at southwick a few years ago and hearing the the 125s screaming by sounded alot better might i add showed some true skills in riding, 4 strokes are predicutable 2 strokes arnt and thats what made the races so interesting to watch.

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09-12-2006, 12:30 AM	#38 (permalink)
1tizzy06 1st Gear Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rockmart, GA Posts: 228	i think it looks like it will be a fun bike and that is really all that matters isnt it? i thought motorcycles were supposed to be fun, but everybody seems to take it all too seriously. evolution is good for the sport.

09-21-2006, 03:58 PM	#39 (permalink)
brupska 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Terre Haute, Indiana Posts: 258	I will miss the two strokes. I grew up around them. My dad used to MX before I was born until I was around 10 y/o. I will miss the smell of Klotz and the sound. The new 4 strokes are still fun to watch race. As for the 150r and e. I can't wait to see one up close. I also can't wait to see what the other companies come out with next year.

09-21-2006, 04:58 PM	#40 (permalink)
ILOAD2 PM Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4	I guarantee there will be 150F's on the line at the Mini 4-stroke nationals at Glen Halen....Water cooled be dammed..All those rules will be out the window.