Planet Minis

sniper223 · 09-09-2006, 06:48 PM

[quote=dk54red]If ACE and OWC aren't going to let them ride they should say so quick as there are people on the waiting list. At ACE would they ride with the 2 stroke class?[/QUOTE

Good point Dave. A ruling prior to their arrival at local dealers would be good. Ponder this though.............. Other than being water cooled, what is the difference between this bike and the BBR version, which is allowed at our local tracks. Or, if I take my 06 150 and put the motor in a CR85 chassis. I am pretty confident that my 06 with it's mods, is putting out more HP than the 150R. Guys are already converting the suspension to CR85 forks on the 06 and earlier bikes. So, it really comes down to being water cooled and not air cooled. Is it a "mini" or a true pit bike.....no. Should it be allowed at our local tracks.......here in the Orlando area I say yes. But that's just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions!!

FITZ-197 · 09-09-2006, 08:13 PM

I have heard upwards of 23-25 HP not sure if TomP is right at 15 or the guys at SPS who gave me the other number. If it is the bigger number a stock with future mods coming soon I'm sure and the mods you could do to a stock engine I think it is going to be well over what we have in our current bikes with all mods. I hate to say it but with some time to think it over this bike probably does belong to the same class as the 85s.

And BTW the guy that gave me the wrong info about SPS having them called me back and appologized profusely. He's a good guy so no harm.

dk54red · 09-09-2006, 08:24 PM

My question was would Ace let the bike ride at all. I would think they will let the bike pratice since they let the 230 ride, but a race class is most likely a 85. With so many older guys would they open a vet class for 85's/crf150r. Ace might wait to see how fast the bike really is.

OWC doen't let the 230 ride or the 85, so will they let the new 150 ride? Like snipper said some peoples 150s rip (XXXcc) so I hope it (a cc limit) doesn't go backwards or only stock 150's can ride.

btw, what is the hp of a 230?

sniper223 · 09-09-2006, 09:06 PM

I am of the opinion, if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Currently some people ride some pretty fast 150's at ACE and OWC. There has not been an issue yet and they don't seem to be over powering the track, so re-visiting the rules for the current bikes is pointless. As for the new 150R, it was built to compete with the 85's. I have watched the 85 class and my oldest boy rode one for a while. Some of them are WAY faster than a heavily modded 150. If those bikes are ok to run, at least at ACE, then the 150R should be too. As for what class to run it with....who cares!! As long as I get to ride mine there, you could put me out there with 10 Bobcats and I wouldn't care!

dk54red · 09-09-2006, 09:17 PM

"As long as I get to ride mine there, you could put me out there with 10 Bobcats and I wouldn't care!"

This is my point, I went a round about way. I'm thinking of getting one, but if I can't ride it at least at ACE it would be a waste. I'd like to get some kind of answer before I drop another chunk of money down. As far as racing, I was just wondering as I don't even race.

dk54red · 09-09-2006, 09:21 PM

Hopfully your right about not broke, I am just concerned that I've put alot of money into a bike I may not be able to ride anymore if people start getting picky.

1tizzy06 · 09-09-2006, 10:16 PM

i think banning a bike is rediculous...it may not be a pitbike but im sure it will be fun...isnt that the point?

C_Thut · 09-09-2006, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xr1million

Water cooled bikes = NOT a pit bike.

Get it?

i dont think the crf150 is water cooled
http://powersports.honda.com/motorcy...delId=CRF150F7

danny51 · 09-09-2006, 10:22 PM

thats the f not r

jdmp · 09-09-2006, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1tizzy06

i think banning a bike is rediculous...it may not be a pitbike but im sure it will be fun...isnt that the point?

I dont think its soo much about banning a bike its about banning it at certain tracks. These tracks are supposed to be "pitbike" tracks and when im on a 50 and a 150 is out there its a big bike. I think its a cool bike and awesome they made it, its just a pitbike track is for pitbikes not this, it isnt a pitbike, I think thats the main reasoning behind everyones concern. THere are PLENTY of big bike tracks and very very few places to ride the minis.

xr1million · 09-09-2006, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C_Thut

i dont think the crf150 is water cooled
http://powersports.honda.com/motorcy...delId=CRF150F7

Yea buddy get your facts straight. this post is about the R not the F! read before you post.

gardner · 09-09-2006, 10:37 PM

Maybe you should look into getting a 150.

50rider340 · 09-09-2006, 11:28 PM

clearly this is making a huge fuss. 150R = bike made to go against the 85s, and if anyone dair say its a pit bike its not. Its a damn cr85 with a done up 4 stroke motor on it. If everything now thats 4 stroke a mini i guess a 250 is now to.

Why is it as soon as they make a tameable 4 stroke (not saying it doesnt rip) in a 85 size bike everyone thinks its a mini? Someone else already said it we clearly dont see people getting on 85s, and ripping them like there a mini?

i really think this hole 150 thing is going to have two sides some say its a mini ans some say its not. but in my opinion its not, its a pure breed race bike to take down the 85s.

holeshot-kid · 09-09-2006, 11:46 PM

Its an 85 killer. If you think its a pitbike you are kidding yourself. And I believe anyone who buys it expecting a pitbike will be dissapointed. I ride an 85 and allbeit I dont race it but if I did I would be nervous.

mxbmx930 · 09-10-2006, 12:33 AM

Definitely not a "pitbike", and to me I might as well ride my 450 cause they are pretty big. But I know you guys like those things. They won't ban anything anywhere, its a 16" class, cc doesn't matter horsepower doesn't matter. It's just like 10" class, one guy will have a 10hp 88cc lined up next to a 16+ hp SE or dohc. The only thing would be the watercooled deal, which is only a rule at certain races I think, mostly where they don't even have a 16" class.

354racing · 09-10-2006, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coleuden

I am 6'7" ...

Its a mini.

I'm over 40 over 200, its a mini, looks like a ton of fun, it 'll be my
"pitbike".
'

C_Thut · 09-10-2006, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xr1million

Yea buddy get your facts straight. this post is about the R not the F! read before you post.

sorry i didnt know they had a new model

xr1million · 09-10-2006, 02:33 PM

^^^ yup they now have the R to compete with the 85's

Huck818 · 09-11-2006, 11:08 AM

I personally like the little bike. I think that possibly it could be seen as a Pit Bike even though I don't see it as one. I see were this thing could stir up alot of opinions when it comes to race time.
Soo........ Here's mine......
I think that this bike is going to start showing up at alot of pitbike tracks. It's going to make it very easy to make that 30' step up double right out of a corner that is barely dooable on a 10" or 12" wheel bike with a fully modded motor. I don't like the idea of banning any bikes at any track. I have an 06 crf150 that is bone stock for my wife and kids to ride. I was thinking about doing a few mods to it just to improve the fun factor on this bike. While I may take this bike out on the track to turn a few fun laps and see what it is capable of doing, I wouldn't consider racing this unless it was against similar 150's. There is no way I would line this thing up against one of the new liquid cooled rockets. I like to see races being more about racer ability. Even a fully modded BBR 150 should think twice about that. It's not even close to being fair.
I have 2 10" bikes that I race open class, and I love it for the PIT BIKE factor. It is tough to be fast on these little bikes. It takes skill and alot of practice, as many of you along with my friends find out when they hop on them. I would say let them ride and practice at a track but if they want to race go to a big bike race. I know this eliminates the adults but if you want to race a PIT BIKE get a modded 12" bike and learn how to ride it. My best friend is probably close to 6' 4" or 5" and he handles a 12" just fine. In fact he had a 10" for a long time. The only reason he went to a 12" is he got a smokin deal on a Pitster.
Just one 5' 8, 180lb guy's opinion. Ha Ha

kardy · 09-11-2006, 11:23 AM

1) Water cooling will keep it out of any pitbike race I've ever heard of.
2) Vertical cylinder, cradle frame, wheels bigger than 14/12" relegates it to one class - Clutch class (TTR/DRZ/KLX125, etc.). Except, see #1 above.

Bottom line: No effect on pitbike racing.

09-09-2006, 06:48 PM	#21 (permalink)
sniper223 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oviedo, Fl Posts: 269	[quote=dk54red]If ACE and OWC aren't going to let them ride they should say so quick as there are people on the waiting list. At ACE would they ride with the 2 stroke class?[/QUOTE Good point Dave. A ruling prior to their arrival at local dealers would be good. Ponder this though.............. Other than being water cooled, what is the difference between this bike and the BBR version, which is allowed at our local tracks. Or, if I take my 06 150 and put the motor in a CR85 chassis. I am pretty confident that my 06 with it's mods, is putting out more HP than the 150R. Guys are already converting the suspension to CR85 forks on the 06 and earlier bikes. So, it really comes down to being water cooled and not air cooled. Is it a "mini" or a true pit bike.....no. Should it be allowed at our local tracks.......here in the Orlando area I say yes. But that's just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions!!

09-09-2006, 08:13 PM	#22 (permalink)
FITZ-197 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mount Dora Florida Posts: 343	I have heard upwards of 23-25 HP not sure if TomP is right at 15 or the guys at SPS who gave me the other number. If it is the bigger number a stock with future mods coming soon I'm sure and the mods you could do to a stock engine I think it is going to be well over what we have in our current bikes with all mods. I hate to say it but with some time to think it over this bike probably does belong to the same class as the 85s. And BTW the guy that gave me the wrong info about SPS having them called me back and appologized profusely. He's a good guy so no harm.

09-09-2006, 08:24 PM	#23 (permalink)
dk54red PM Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oviedo, Fl Posts: 82	My question was would Ace let the bike ride at all. I would think they will let the bike pratice since they let the 230 ride, but a race class is most likely a 85. With so many older guys would they open a vet class for 85's/crf150r. Ace might wait to see how fast the bike really is. OWC doen't let the 230 ride or the 85, so will they let the new 150 ride? Like snipper said some peoples 150s rip (XXXcc) so I hope it (a cc limit) doesn't go backwards or only stock 150's can ride. btw, what is the hp of a 230?

09-09-2006, 09:06 PM	#24 (permalink)
sniper223 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oviedo, Fl Posts: 269	I am of the opinion, if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Currently some people ride some pretty fast 150's at ACE and OWC. There has not been an issue yet and they don't seem to be over powering the track, so re-visiting the rules for the current bikes is pointless. As for the new 150R, it was built to compete with the 85's. I have watched the 85 class and my oldest boy rode one for a while. Some of them are WAY faster than a heavily modded 150. If those bikes are ok to run, at least at ACE, then the 150R should be too. As for what class to run it with....who cares!! As long as I get to ride mine there, you could put me out there with 10 Bobcats and I wouldn't care!

09-09-2006, 09:17 PM	#25 (permalink)
dk54red PM Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oviedo, Fl Posts: 82	"As long as I get to ride mine there, you could put me out there with 10 Bobcats and I wouldn't care!" This is my point, I went a round about way. I'm thinking of getting one, but if I can't ride it at least at ACE it would be a waste. I'd like to get some kind of answer before I drop another chunk of money down. As far as racing, I was just wondering as I don't even race.

09-09-2006, 09:21 PM	#26 (permalink)
dk54red PM Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oviedo, Fl Posts: 82	Hopfully your right about not broke, I am just concerned that I've put alot of money into a bike I may not be able to ride anymore if people start getting picky.

09-09-2006, 10:16 PM	#27 (permalink)
1tizzy06 1st Gear Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rockmart, GA Posts: 228	i think banning a bike is rediculous...it may not be a pitbike but im sure it will be fun...isnt that the point?

09-09-2006, 10:22 PM	#29 (permalink)
danny51 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: carlsbad,ca Posts: 585	thats the f not r

09-09-2006, 10:37 PM	#32 (permalink)
gardner 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Orlando Posts: 360	Maybe you should look into getting a 150.

09-09-2006, 11:28 PM	#33 (permalink)
50rider340 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CT Posts: 2,142	clearly this is making a huge fuss. 150R = bike made to go against the 85s, and if anyone dair say its a pit bike its not. Its a damn cr85 with a done up 4 stroke motor on it. If everything now thats 4 stroke a mini i guess a 250 is now to. Why is it as soon as they make a tameable 4 stroke (not saying it doesnt rip) in a 85 size bike everyone thinks its a mini? Someone else already said it we clearly dont see people getting on 85s, and ripping them like there a mini? i really think this hole 150 thing is going to have two sides some say its a mini ans some say its not. but in my opinion its not, its a pure breed race bike to take down the 85s.

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09-09-2006, 11:46 PM	#34 (permalink)
holeshot-kid 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 792	Its an 85 killer. If you think its a pitbike you are kidding yourself. And I believe anyone who buys it expecting a pitbike will be dissapointed. I ride an 85 and allbeit I dont race it but if I did I would be nervous.

09-10-2006, 12:33 AM	#35 (permalink)
mxbmx930 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Citra, Florida Posts: 476	Definitely not a "pitbike", and to me I might as well ride my 450 cause they are pretty big. But I know you guys like those things. They won't ban anything anywhere, its a 16" class, cc doesn't matter horsepower doesn't matter. It's just like 10" class, one guy will have a 10hp 88cc lined up next to a 16+ hp SE or dohc. The only thing would be the watercooled deal, which is only a rule at certain races I think, mostly where they don't even have a 16" class.

09-10-2006, 02:33 PM	#38 (permalink)
xr1million 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Just south of hell, FL Posts: 4,662	^^^ yup they now have the R to compete with the 85's

09-11-2006, 11:08 AM	#39 (permalink)
Huck818 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 344	I personally like the little bike. I think that possibly it could be seen as a Pit Bike even though I don't see it as one. I see were this thing could stir up alot of opinions when it comes to race time. Soo........ Here's mine...... I think that this bike is going to start showing up at alot of pitbike tracks. It's going to make it very easy to make that 30' step up double right out of a corner that is barely dooable on a 10" or 12" wheel bike with a fully modded motor. I don't like the idea of banning any bikes at any track. I have an 06 crf150 that is bone stock for my wife and kids to ride. I was thinking about doing a few mods to it just to improve the fun factor on this bike. While I may take this bike out on the track to turn a few fun laps and see what it is capable of doing, I wouldn't consider racing this unless it was against similar 150's. There is no way I would line this thing up against one of the new liquid cooled rockets. I like to see races being more about racer ability. Even a fully modded BBR 150 should think twice about that. It's not even close to being fair. I have 2 10" bikes that I race open class, and I love it for the PIT BIKE factor. It is tough to be fast on these little bikes. It takes skill and alot of practice, as many of you along with my friends find out when they hop on them. I would say let them ride and practice at a track but if they want to race go to a big bike race. I know this eliminates the adults but if you want to race a PIT BIKE get a modded 12" bike and learn how to ride it. My best friend is probably close to 6' 4" or 5" and he handles a 12" just fine. In fact he had a 10" for a long time. The only reason he went to a 12" is he got a smokin deal on a Pitster. Just one 5' 8, 180lb guy's opinion. Ha Ha

09-11-2006, 11:23 AM	#40 (permalink)
kardy PM Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 87	1) Water cooling will keep it out of any pitbike race I've ever heard of. 2) Vertical cylinder, cradle frame, wheels bigger than 14/12" relegates it to one class - Clutch class (TTR/DRZ/KLX125, etc.). Except, see #1 above. Bottom line: No effect on pitbike racing.