Planet Minis

JohnnyB

Yea I agree on a catch bottle(s) for sure and also safety wire the drain plug at least .
Then maybe inform and show people to check all other related bolts were oil can come gushing out if it falls out . Kinda like a tech inspec .

Kurlon

Catch can, if you get rigid and ban all catch cans that once used to hold a beverage (AKA only allow AMA approved units that will not crumple/break in a fall) you are just going to drive off some people, and still generally be ineffective for the most part on a track like this. Small oil spills on pavement just aren't that big a deal. Indoors, on concrete, that's a whole other story.

As far as protecting the pavement from crash damage:
All levers should have ball ends
Bars should have round bar ends, Hand Guards that use the bar end for a mount should be inspected on an individual basis to make sure they don't have any protruding edges
Pegs should fold
Folding tip shift levers?

I'd suggest swingarm and fork sliders, along with peg sliders, but 99% of people won't bother. Heck, I still haven't sent my swingarm to the welder so I can mount slider spools to it.

Classes: I wouldn't bother getting hung up on dialing in 'the perfect' class breaks. Trying to sort bikes by displacement will guarantee HUGE discrepancies in power no matter where you draw the lines. Case in point, stock import 125s vs dialed in 124 +R motors, no comparison. So instead, maybe consider 'A' and 'B' groups, and have riders class themselves based on skill and speed on the track? (Riders can be bumped up/down at manager's discretion to keep things even.) That way a skunkworks 86cc rocket from hell can race against comparable lap time racers rather than trashing Moto8 and not being challenged. Conversely, John Q Scaredtotwisttherightgrip with a clapped out stock Lifan 140 can run with others pushing his pace rather than trying to fend off built MotoHP 150 +Rs.

JohnnyB

You can buy either the Moose or Takegawa magnetic drain plugs that are already pre-drilled ..

As for the honor system when it comes to ability . People can sand bag ..

Plus..., I tend to practice at a slower pace than I race at . I'm not in do or die mode .

millbillyfiddy

ohh boy this is going to be good

millbillyfiddy

Hey Johnny, When is your weekend off? I want to make your day by showing up the same week you do....

JohnnyB

Weather permiting , I'll be go'n on May 20th and June 9th . Hopefully I'll have my new front end together by then . Still wait'n on parts ...

OLDSCHOOL

you will not be there on June 9th....thats the AMA Pit Bike National at Southwick Ma. Me, You, Millbilly and 30,000 fans will be there on Sunday the 10th is the AMA Pro MX Nationals

JohnnyB

Ha ha , Yea I already forgot .. I got's to get some sleep I guess .

evilempire

Kurlon

Thanks for the response.

Catch cans design I'm not going to worry about to much at this point unless it becomes a problem. Our bikes have catch cans I made from PVC pipe and end caps, drill, put a hose union in one end and a self tap screw in the other with a little vent hole in the top next to the union, use a clamp to bolt to case. simple and cost $2.50.

For classes

I agree with you, I would like to race lap times, put the fast folks together and the slower folks together. I needed a starting place to get us going and this was one way.

I did think of just having 3 classes for the 4 strokes, based on attitude and goals and not hardware. We would have Sportsman (folks that enjoy the ride and want to improve their skills), Expert (folks that come to compete and think plastic trophies and series points are important to their self worth), and MadMax (folks that just want to run on the edge for the thrill of it, don't care about points or trophies just that they made that wicked pass in turn 2 through the grass and lived to tell about it).
Bikes for these classes would be run what you got within the 12in rear, horizontal engine of under 150cc or there abouts.

We could then group anyone else that shows up and doesn't fit into showroom, pocketbike or scooter and run them together and score separately.

Now is the time to send me your feedback.

FastMC

I like the sounds of that !!! ^^^^^^^ LOL... Start throwing the words series and points around and people start getting all serious about it. Keep it simple and it will stay fun.

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The older I get...The faster I was !!!

evilempire

Ok Folks

What do you think of this proposal for classes.

Pit Bike Classes

Classes are based on rider attitude and skills and not on hardware. The overall bike limits are rear tires 12 inch or smaller and 4 stroke horizontal engines. Two stroke Pocketbikes and Scooters should be compatible with 50cc types.
The race director reserves the right to exclude bikes which are incompatible with the track.


Sportsman Class
Class for those folks that are:
• New to the sport.
• Out to enjoy the ride.
• Wanting to improve their skills.
• Old enough to know they have to go to work Monday.

Expert Mini Class
Class for those folks that are:
• Competing for points, trophies and bragging rights.
• Wanting someplace to run that built up engine that they have be telling everyone about.
• Wanting to challenge themselves against good riders.

MadMax Unlimited
Class for those folks that are:
• Looking to run on the edge for the thrill.
• Unconcerned about who is in front as long as there is someone to try to pass.

Pocketbike Class

• Any Pocket Bike.
• If liquid cooled they must be running water only and have catch cans.

Scooter Class

• Any step through Scooter design.


Let me know.
C

Kurlon

I like. Add in that you can be moved up or down a class or two by race manager's discretion to keep things safe, and I think you're golden.

JohnnyB

Two moto format correct ? And how many laps per race ?

OLDSCHOOL

Me likey....

I got to pace myself at this track Brian and I did about 200 laps last time...Ouch monkey butt,,,

evilempire

Race days will have Practice (if we have huge speed differences we'll run a sportsman practice including the scooters and pocketbikes and then everyone else), and minimum two heat races. Lap count will depend on track setup for that race. We'll make sure everyone gets enough. Maybe we'll run an endurance event once in awhile.

I'll get my website upgraded and put a pdf with the flyer and rules up on it. That way you folks can download them and get the word out.

Thanks for all your help
Craig

Fast_Eddie

It sounds like the lap times will have to be recorded to work this out. There are 2 types of pocketbikes. The cag style runs about the same as the rental scooters that National Powersports is selling off. The euro style bikes are going to lap scooters pretty often. If everyone just shows up it should be easy to work it out at the track.

evilempire

Hi Folks

We are scheduled to start racing this Sunday May 20th. Pits open at 11am, Practice at Noon, racing to follow that.

We will not have practice this Thursday due schedule conflict.

Hope to see you and your friends.

Craig

evilempire

I got the website up.

See Racing

Hope to see you there.

evilempire

We are looking forward to our first race on Sunday.

Some folks have contacted me about weather and as much as I'd like to control it, I can't. The forecast is for possible showers, thats not stopping us.

We will be there and folks are welcome to run wet or dry.

If you have any question on our running prior to your departure from home feel free to contact me - information is on our website. Evil Empire Racing

evilempire

Hi Folks

Race #1 is completed. Despite the wet conditions we all had a great time. The fresh pavement and great drainage at Rt 106 Racepark meant that everyone found grip and there was plenty of knee draggin action. Everyone got plenty of laps. The track personel did a great job setting up. The track folks will be looking to make further improvements.

Thanks to all who showed up. Results and points standings are posted on the Evil Empire Racing website.

We need your support to make this work, Next race Saturday June 9, Under the lights, Pits open at 4pm, practice at 5, racing after that.

Hope to see you there